|Subject:||Re: [socialcredit] Dividend in Social Credit and Geonomy|
|Date:||Thursday, March 16, 2006 17:18:40 (-0800)|
|From:||Jeffery Smith <jjs @.........org>
|In reply to:||Message 3654 (written by Triumphofthepast)|
On Mar 15, 2006, at 1:45 PM, Triumphofthepast@aol.com wrote:
> Money is a vote.
Spent money, not idle money.
> Jeff Smith, on the Geonomics website, states: "More efficient than
> trying to capture wealth downstream, after the elite has accumulated
> it, is to capture wealth upstream, preventing an elite from forming. .
> . . Land dues . . . capture rent upstream, preventing the
> concentration of wealth. . . . It'd be more practical to not give milk
> to the [lion] cub in the first place." In other words, it is a
> pre-emptive action designed to discourage concentrated ownership.
> This resembles Belloc's distributist proposal. (Belloc proposed to
> curb monopolies by taxing big companies to subsidize small ones.)
Any resemblance must be subjective. Much more closely it resembles
Paine and Jefferson and Bertrand Russell and others quoted at our
> While it is one step above trying to redress inequities in income
> after the fact, it is still a direct, crude, ham-fisted approach to
> the problem.
So you say, based on mere antipathy? Or, could you explain you rash
> It is also a fact that the dues proposed would be a cost of
Spending for nature - sites, resources, etc - already is a cost of
production. Land dues do not add another cost but merely redirect that
spending from owners / lenders to everyone.
> which would have to be recovered in prices.
Which is where all costs are recovered, if at all. Someone here is fond
of often pointing out that businesses do go broke.
> You can say that the consumer-citizens got the benefit of the dues and
> so can pay the prices, but then it is not obvious what the point of it
> all was. It certainly won't make everyone richer.
You missed a previous post. The land dues of the average person is well
below the "rent" dividend.
> Douglas's indirect solution is superior.
So some believe, but people do believe anything. Humans brains are
notably foiled by symbols, as is money, and lose sight of reality, as
> It is indirect in that doesn't act on elites/producer-organizations
> directly but believes that free consumer choice of the fruits of
Not taxing production is what does that.
> brought about by giving consumer-citizens their full
> money-vote-franchise will automatically organize production (including
> administration of land-Nature) into the right-size units.
Any real world examples to lead one to this conclusion?
> In other words, God may have made lions for a reason.
Made brains, too.
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