| Subject: | Re: [socialcredit] Rent for everyone | | Date: | Sunday, March 19, 2006 21:10:11 (-0800) | | From: | Jeffery Smith <jjs @.........org>
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| In reply to: | Message 3672 (written by Peter Haines) |
On Mar 19, 2006, at 1:43 AM, Peter Haines wrote:
> Howdy Jeffery,
Hey, Peter;
> require me to pay a deposit, shall we say, to get the return I already
> have.
You own an oil field? A corner of a downtown market?
> The Douglas system is based on the goods and services, as opposed to
> land or gold, which assures directly the just share ( and just
> price!),
Isn't that a function of supply and demand?
> since it is the foundation.
How can Douglas be a foundation since it does not exist yet economies
do?
> Your system, land is the foundation
As you read this, what is beneath you? Where is land, literally, not
the foundation? Nowhere (literally).
> and thus must always be equal to the value of the total disbursement
Disbursement of what? The output of the site in question? Then, yes.
> which as the in the case of gold will require an inflation in its
> value/cost
The production cost of land is zero (nobody produced it). The value of
land keeps rising to infinity (note the recent housing bubble). In that
nature (sites, resources, spectrum) is unique. Man-made goods, value /
cost might be more equivalent.
> to keep it up, similar to chasing debt.
The only ones who require inflation are those who profit by it.
> This is indirect, includes an unnecessary penalty and a commodity
> which can be controlled by monopolies
May be, but it's something you have in mind, not anything remotely
resembling the real world geonomic examples or the still evolving
ideal.
> where as the Douglas system is under control of the whole of the
> consumers direct.
Where?
> Essentially we are only discussing the issue of a fair and just
> disbursement of goods and services, I believe.
Hear, hear! Let wages and "interest" (return to investment) claim the
value generated privately by individuals. Let a user fees and a
Citizens Dividend claim the values generated by society and return them
to the members of society.
> if you are still just a debt money system.
All money systems that are viable are debt / credit. What's onerous and
unfair is applying the lending rate to the mere issuance of new money.
SMITH, Jeffery J., President, Forum on Geonomics
7536 SE Milwaukie Av, Portland Oregon 97202 USA
503/232-1337; jjs@geonomics.org; www.geonomics.org
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