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special attention Triumpho
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harper's Triumpho
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Primer of Social C Triumpho
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Valuation challeng Jeffery
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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] attitudes
Date:Friday, March 24, 2006  00:44:46 (+0000)
From:John G Rawson <johngrawson @.......com>
In reply to:Message 3699 (written by Jeffery Smith)

I'm inclined to agree partly with this.  A lot of our material is so verbose that obviously it is designed to show off the depth of knowledge of the writer rather than conveying it clearly. I am NOT referring to messages from "Triumph ...."  But when someone comes out with a crystallised point, you also seem to retreat into vagaries very quickly.

I think there is a degree of antagonism from both sides in this correspondence with you that is rather unnecessary.  In NZ land is taxed (on "unimproved value" usually) for local proivision of amenities.  In some cases it is at such a high rate that one could query whether the freeholding of land in "fee simple" still really exists in fact.

The SC movement here has no argument with the basic process,  but seeks to get away from the situation where ratepayers must repay many times over the cost of a work that was done,  because of the ensuing added interest cost.  We do not attack the principle of interest as such, but rather the ridiculous approach that non-commercial public enterprises must be funded in the same way as commercial ones that have the ability to repay from their incomes.

And our main concern is to ensure that our citizens can meet these and other costs of living without, as at present, the Nation generally having to go into ever-increasing debt to do so.

There are uses and abuses where land is concerned that must be controlled if we are to survive, and if some of this can be done by fair taxes, OK.  But to suggest that all taxation should be land-based ignores the whole complex web of commercial structure built up over about the last half millenium.

Regards.   John R.


From: Jeffery Smith <jjs@geonomics.org>
Reply-To: socialcredit@elistas.com
To: socialcredit@elistas.com
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] attitudes
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:09:57 -0800
>On Mar 23, 2006, at 5:33 AM, Triumphofthepast@aol.com wrote:
>
>> You are on a social credit discussion group but won't make the
>>time to read a 20-page intro to the subject.  Can't you see that
>>must seem disrespectful?
>
>Sorry about that. Don't take it personally. In the real world today,
>you can't change it by asking people to read 20 pages. First, you
>must be able to express it in a bumpersticker, than a sound byte,
>then an op-ed, then a brochure, then a booklet of 20 pages, last a
>book. Also, the old saw, "Sorry to send such a long letter, didn't
>have time to write you a short one." Honing, always honing the
>message, actually forces one to make new insights.
>
>SMITH, Jeffery J., President, Forum on Geonomics
>7536 SE Milwaukie Av, Portland Oregon 97202 USA
>503/232-1337; jjs@geonomics.org; www.geonomics.org
>Share Earth's worth to prosper and conserve.
>
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