| Subject: | [socialcredit] Fw: request---Re: offlist---Re: ELECTRONZ - 611 | | Date: | Friday, March 31, 2006 02:33:29 (-0700) | | From: | Wallace M. Klinck <wmklinck @....ca>
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> A short time ago, I received an "enthusiastic" message
> from Don Bethune and replied at some length outlining my
> experience with Social Credit in Alberta over the
> years and the distortions and betrayals which occured
> in the political party of that name. My communication
> met with dead silence. Of course, I do not concur
> with his interpretation of Social Credit nor with his
> strategy for promoting it.
>
> I share your annoyance with Google and do not agree
> with their compliance with requests for
> censorship--even though there may possibly be some
> basis to their defense that their presence in China
> would be more beneficial in the long run than were
> they not there at all. I am especially sensitive to
> this issue in view of our Canadian "Human Rights"
> tribunals becoming increasingly active in bullying
> and/or shutting down websites in this country. I
> regard any concessions to those who would censor
> freedom of expression as very dangerous, i.e., setting
> a precedent which is almost certain to lead toward
> increasing repression of communication of ideas--and
> outright persecution of those whose communications
> are unacceptable to the entrenched powers.
>
> I understand your frustration re the relative
> inaccessability of genuine social credit literature,
> although I cannot agree that the problem lies
> primarily with "internal" factors. Douglas was widely
> discussed in the early years of the movement but
> became almost entirely censored after a relatively
> short time. Publishers know what can happen to them
> if they do not follow the course of action prescribed
> by those who hold decisive power over economic policy
> and survival. They will publish reams of critcial
> material but virtually never anything from original
> and authentic Social Credit origins. When John
> Hughes's recent book was published it was not stocked
> by but was listed as available through major Canadian
> booksellers. Suddenly, from recent enquires it seems
> that the book has become non-extant in their
> databanks. The printer-publisher is meticulous and
> has produced many works for university projects. I
> suspect that the owners have been "alerted" and the
> word has gone out. The book trade in Canada is
> largely monopolized by the usual elements.
> When leaving New York Douglas was reportedly warned unequivocably by a
> very prominent figure there that he would not be
> allowed to succeed in his advocacy of financial
> measures to decentralize power. That is why any
> persons who shows signs of possessing significant
> intellectual or leadership capacity to strengthen
> national independence are watched very closely and
> sanctioned with whatever measures are required to
> immobilize them. The policy of the power brokers
> today is to destroy national sovereignty and they
> intend to let nothing stand in their way. Why do you
> think that the leaders of Canada, the U.S. and Mexico
> are meeting now? Of course, as Social Crediters are
> aware, the very nature of the financial system makes
> economic and political amalgamation and centralization
> inevitable--and as has been observed even angels could
> not operate it toward different ends.
>
> Those who have tried to preserve Douglas's ideas
> frequently have not grasped them adequately but there
> has existed a genuine conviction that they are unique
> and invaluable to the quality of human existence.
> There has been a tendency to protect these ideas
> because of various attempts to distort them on both
> political and academic levels. (e.g., such as the
> book by Wm. Rose, etc.) I think that any deliberate
> attempts to arrest progress within the (non-party)
> movement have been rare. I do agree that authentic
> Social Credit literature is a critically important
> part of our general cultural heritage which should
> (must) be readily accessible to society in general and
> that any lack of such accessibility should be
> rectified. My view is that quite aside from any risks
> in so doing the proper and only realistic course is to
> move straight ahead with the task--the assumption
> being that with persistent and aggressive promotion no
> idea which has relevance can be successfully
> suppressed forever.
>
> I think your plan had considerable merit and potential
> and that as its originator you should appropriately be
> talking to Don Martin about the proposal. I have
> mentioned it several times. The works of Marx,
> Engels, Lenin, etc. are universally available for
> public consumption and I agree that it is outrageous
> that the same should not hold for Douglas and his
> competent colleagues. As Douglas observed, though, we
> can talk about Social Credit to the end of time and
> without action nothing whatsoever will happen. This is
> true with accomplishing the dispersion of Douglas's
> works and, unfortunately, our task is made doubly
> difficult by the control and intimidation which exists
> in the book and publishing trades.
>
> Re Jim Schroeder's site, Jim told me some time ago
> that while he could not always agree with you on
> certain issues he did respect your submissions and
> that he was considering extending an invitation to you
> to participate in his list. I suggested that this
> would be appropriate. He did advise me that he had
> not been contributing to the Elistas list. He has
> been quite occupied lately in making a move and I do
> not know if he has been able to give the matter
> further attention. I note in your other message that
> you have had difficulty in accessing the site. For
> some reason sometimes I also have experienced
> difficulty. I will try to access it and provide a
> site address in an answer to your other message
> specifically asking for help. I would not give up on
> Jim--he is very tenacious and appears to be honestly
> determined to pursue a correct understanding of
> Douglas. As I believe you said yourself on one
> occasion, this is no mean task--and has probably been
> achieved by relatively few (according to Douglas,
> anyway!).
>
> Sincerely Wally
>
>
>
> --- "William B. Ryan" <w_b_ryan@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually, I would like you to post this to
>> socialcredit, also. It contains some valuable
>> insights.
>>
>>
>>
>> --- "Wallace M. Klinck" <wmklinck@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>> > Bill,
>
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