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| Subject: | RE: [socialcredit] ---Re: ELECTRONZ - 611 and the 'Red Dawn' | | Date: | Friday, April 7, 2006 15:23:00 (+0100) | | From: | Kenneth Palmerton <kenpalmerton @................uk>
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Hi Joe.
Why does it worry you that the amount of money the credit authority
decides is required needs dividing between the National Dividend and the
requirements of society in producing public goods ?
On the assumption that you agree that very few individuals can fund many
of our public institutions, it seems obvious, to me at least, that in a
Democratic Society an organisation answerable to the people has to
undertake the planning and execution of such investment.
Whilst I acknowledge a high degree of "slippage" between the theory and
what we actually get in practice, a subject for separate discussion I
think, Our State here in the UK is run by a Government within Parliament
that seeks office upon a platform of declared intentions. If the voters
approve, then that party gets the power of Government. If they cock the
job up, then out they go at the next election :-)))
In a just economic system the proportion claimed by Government for its
plans then get decided upon by the people. Am I right in thinking you
disapprove ?
In fact Joe this is an ancient principle here in the UK. It used to be
called "Voting supply".
Ken.
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(John Rawson wrote:- ) My point is that there will be public control of
the purse in some form, no matter what course we take. Either way, we
will have an independent body deciding how much new money is needed.
After that comes the decision which ways it will be spent into
circulation. Government is going to decide the level of public spending
necessary, whatever its source. For that component, we can have
Government allocated a portion of the new money, or the somewhat
ridiculous method of paying people with one hand and taking it back with
the other.
(Joe replies:-) My understanding is that there are but =91two=92 ways =
this
=93new money=94 might be =93spent into circulation=94. The recipient of =
the
National Dividend might decide to buy something with it. And someone
who has already bought something, and has subsequently been credited
back with the Compensated Price Discount amount on that purchase, might
decide to buy something else with this credit. =20
What you=92ve written above sounds to me like you=92re saying that the
=91Government=92 is going to decide how much of =93the new money=94 =
(that would
go into the ND and CPD payouts), is going to be =91allowed=92 =
CONSUMERS,
and how much it=92s going to appropriate for itself. Now if this is so,
just =91how=92 does this =91Government=92 appropriation, taken from a =
TOTAL
amount computed to allow an OVERALL previous cost-accountancy cycle of
production to be FULLY =91financially self-liquidating=92, still allow =
that
to happen? =20
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<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times =
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>(John Rawson wrote<span =
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purse in
some form, no matter what course we take.<font color=3Dnavy><span
style=3D'color:navy'> </span></font>Either way, we will have an =
independent body
deciding how much new money is needed.<font color=3Dnavy><span =
style=3D'color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>After that comes the decision which ways it =
will be
spent into circulation. Government is going to decide the level of =
public
spending necessary, whatever its source. For that component, we =
can have
Government allocated a portion of the new money, or the somewhat =
ridiculous
method of paying people with one hand and taking it back with the =
other<font
color=3Dnavy><span =
style=3D'color:navy'>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></font></p>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times =
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>(Joe <span =
class=3DGramE>replies:</span>-) <span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=A0</span>My understanding is that there are =
but ‘two’
ways this “new money” might be “spent into =
circulation”.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=A0 </span>The recipient of the National =
Dividend might
decide to buy something with it.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=A0 =
</span>And
someone who has already bought something, and has subsequently been =
credited
back with the Compensated Price Discount amount <span class=3DGramE>on =
<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=A0</span>that</span> purchase, might decide =
to buy
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</span><span
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<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times =
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style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=A0</span>sounds</span> to me
like you’re saying that the ‘Government’ is going to =
decide
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CPD
payouts), <span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=A0</span>is going to be =
‘allowed’
CONSUMERS, and how much it’s going to appropriate for itself.<span
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‘how’
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amount
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cost-accountancy cycle
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