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Subject:RE: [socialcredit] ---Re: ELECTRONZ - 611 and the 'Red Dawn'
Date:Monday, April 3, 2006  08:25:04 (-0700)
From:thomsonhiyu <thomsonhiyu @....ca>
In reply to:Message 3743 (written by John G Rawson)

 

 

(John Rawson wrote :-)   A slightly different perspective comes from tke fact that the Social Credit movement at this time was non-political and tried to influence political parties etc.  It succeeded to some extent with the Labour Party,  until the socialist wing took over and displaced it.

It was because of betrayal in this field that the movement turned political and founded its own party, in 1953.

(Joe replies:-)   Thanks for that.  There’s a somewhat parallel history of Social Credit in British Columbia, John.  Only they weren’t successful in influencing either of the ‘old-line’ Parties, nor the BC equivalent of your “Labour” Party.   Though 1930’s Liberal Premier Duff Pattulo did feign interest at one point.   He invited
Douglas to address the BC Legislature on his return trip from your country.  And Douglas did just that.  Telling the assembled Legislators that it wasn’t necessary to have a ‘Social Credit’ Party to have ‘social credit’. 

 

Here, the principal opposition to the two well-established Parties was the CCF (socialist) Party.  Which at that time , (and right up into the 1970’s), was closer to the ‘communist’ camp, and wanted to ‘nationalize’ industry.  Very militant crowd, small in numbers (then),  but very well organized.

 

 There were various ‘Social Credit’ efforts to go the political party path here, with different factions each believing theirs was the ‘true faith’.  Even the group completely opposed to ‘parties’, which was closest to Douglas in ideology,  got into the act at one point, and ran candidates as the “Union of Electors”.  I believe there were three separate ‘Social Credit’ groups vying for office in that election.  None of whom made any more impact on the voter than your group seems to have made on the Kiwi electorate last time around.  These factions united here in 1949 as the B. C. Social Credit League.  And proudly boasted they’d doubled their overall share of the vote in the Provincial election that year as a result.  They went from 1% to 2%!  They were really on a roll!

 

When the BC Social Credit League did gain office in 1952, courtesy of a very unique line-up of fortuitous flukes that could probably never happen again in a million years, it was far from clear whether they had been given a mandate to try ‘social credit’.  They ‘tied’ the CCF in seats, and the Lieutenant-Governor had to decide which group would be government.  In addition, many of the Socreds running for office, the ones  who were the best versed in ‘Douglas’ Social Credit,  failed to win election in their ridings.  While many of these people were the most prominent ‘voice’ in the Social Credit Movement here for years, and did act as somewhat of a ‘force’ that had to be listened to by those forming the ‘Government’, their influence gradually waned .  The expected ‘post-WWII Depression’ never materialized.  The post-war boom slowed a bit, but it kept rolling right along, and the BC Socred government aided it immensely by a form of ‘Keynesian’ deficit-financing disguised by  clever sleight-of-hand bookkeeping.  The boys at Enron were rank amateurs compared to our WAC Bennett! 

 

Just like what would happen if your group were to pursue its stated policy of financing ‘infrastructure’ the way you hope to, “inflation” eventually caught up to the BC Social Credit government, and did it in.  They were a good government, probably the best government in terms of administrative ability we’ve ever had, but the full promise ‘social credit’ offered, (and could have offered when ‘inflation’ started to ‘run away’), was never realized. 

 

 

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