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I resume you refer to the NZ Social Credit movement
John.
Is it not true that the impact of C.H. Douglas
worldwide reached within the NZ Labour movement and of those
who office in 1934 applied a new appraoch to financing governments role in
leading the nation, providing work and homes etc. As the article Joe
referred to shows it was never social credit ( perhaps more like liberal
socialism) and the same applies today people who are inspired like using the
term 'social credit' but dont want to follow Douglas.
The whole thing turns on the underlying philosophy,
which is why so many talk about money as a seperate subject away from its
true context.
So we have 'social crediters' today wanting to have
govt 'own' the money system and bring in some form of dividend alone and run
with all the monetary reformers because that will create a move that will impact
on the media and public.
So a few get into parliament and that is the game
set and match?
What happens after that is what happened with the
Labour party. The international bankers and the philosophy under the
Labour party won out with their eyes closed.
It's the same old 'betrayal' you mentioned all
over again.
The goal of social credit ( which is a whole lot
more than economics) isnt to win a temporary minor political battle and then
slide into bolivion.
Peter H
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:38
PM
Subject: RE: [socialcredit] ---Re:
ELECTRONZ - 611 and the 'Red Dawn'
Hi Joe.
A slightly different perspective comes from tke fact that the Social Credit
movement at this time was non-political and tried to influence political
parties etc. It succeeded to some extent with the Labour Party,
until the socialist wing took over and displaced it.
It was because of betrayal in this field that the movement turned political
and founded its own party, in 1953.
Regards. John R.
From: thomsonhiyu <thomsonhiyu@shaw.ca>
Reply-To:
socialcredit@elistas.com
To:
socialcredit@elistas.com
Subject: RE: [socialcredit] ---Re:
ELECTRONZ - 611 and the 'Red Dawn'
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:52:10
-0800
>A short while ago the Moderator of this List posted an
extract, from
>what appears to be a history of Depression-era New
Zealand politics,
>under the title "The Red Dawn". Some of the Kiwis
on this list seem to
>be familiar with the political characters
portrayed in it, and issues
>involved. To those of us not resident in
that great Dominion, both
>characters and issues prevailing at that
time and place are largely
>unknown.
>
>What DOES come
through very clearly though, is that just like in
>Alberta, British
Columbia, the UK, and Canada as a whole, most of the
>people
advocating 'Social Credit' through the aegis of some
"political
>Party" really had very little conception of what Douglas's
proposals
>actually entailed.
>
>And if they did, many
then wouldn't likely have agreed with them
>anyways. And, from seeing
what recently appeared in ELECTRONZ-611
>below, it seems obvious their
successors still wouldn't.
>
>Some of that's understandable.
Douglas is not an easy read, nor are his
>meanings and reasons always
clear without considerable study,
>discussion, and assistance. Even
then there are places where his exact
>ideas on certain things are
still open to question, and will often be
>hotly debated. It still
remains for us to 'put all the pieces together'
>in the way that works
best. Though it's often a slow, frustrating
>process, fraught
sometimes with 'bad tempers' and 'bruised egos', those
>'pieces', I
feel anyways, ARE ALL THERE, and progress IS being made.
>Those who'll
'stay the course' WILL find the answers that've long
eluded
>us.
>
>Sadly, though, rather than attempting to
stay that course and 'put all
>the pieces together', it seems there
are a considerable number of
>people, still determined to describe
themselves as 'Social Crediters',
>who'd just as soon put all the
pieces aside. They have another agenda,
>and they're in a hurry to
pursue it. They won't learn from past
>mistakes, but rather insist on
having the chance to repeat them. Even
>though the outcome will be
just the same, and the failures just as
>certain.
>
>They
may, in certain places, when it suits their purposes, still
pay
>lip-service to Douglas as the 'founder', or 'originator' of
'Social
>Credit'. In other places, British Columbia, I'm sad to say,
he isn't
>even afforded that honour. Which, considering what that tiny
group of
>would be 'politicians' still operating a "Party" here under
that
>nostalgic label actually stand for nowadays, may be just as
well.
>
>Far better we try to LEARN first what promise Douglas
really holds, and
>how it can be brought to fruition. If that
'promise' is indeed what we
>DO want. Rather than to flit from one
false 'monetary' or 'political'
>prescription to another under a
'Social Credit' name that can never
>then be more than a
'label-of-convenience', and will only perpetuate
>the very miseries we
hoped to
alleviate.
>
>Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original
Message-----
>From: Wallace M. Klinck
[mailto:wmklinck@shaw.ca]
>Sent: March 29, 2006 11:13 PM
>To:
socialcredit@elistas.com
>Subject: [socialcredit] Fw: offlist---Re:
ELECTRONZ - 611
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From:
"William B. Ryan" <w_b_ryan@yahoo.com>
>To: "Wallace M. Klinck"
<wmklinck@shaw.ca>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 3:04
AM
>Subject: offlist---Re: ELECTRONZ - 611
>
>
>
> Wally, will you please re-post this message to list
> >
socialcredit?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
>
>
> > --- "Wallace M. Klinck" <wmklinck@shaw.ca>
wrote:
>
>Don [Bethune],
>
> Obviously, the Zarlenga
proposals are not Social Credit and appear to
>be,
>in fact, in
many ways its antithesis. Among other things, they
would
>seem
>to give the state a monopoly over this issue of
money or credit, aim
>for
>price "stability" rather than a
falling price-level, incorporate a
>public
>policy of
"full-employment" (implying that "work" should be
the
>essential
>required basis of consumer access to goods and
services) rather than
>providing opportunity for increasing
leisure--and they do not provide
>for
>increasing consumer
control of production policy. This is all
>reminiscent
>of
fascism and/or Bolshevism, I would think. See Bill Ryan's
recent
>quote
>from British Fascist leader Sir Oswald Mosley
where the latter
>specifically
>rejects Major Douglas's
proposals for direct consumer credits as
>entirely
>incompatible
with (British) fascist principles.
>
>Wally
>
>>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
From: "Electronz Ezine" <electronz@dominc.net>
> >> To:
<wmklinck@shaw.ca>
> >> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 7:16
PM
> >> Subject: ELECTRONZ - 611
> >>
>
>>
> >> > ELECTRONZ - 611
> >> > 28
March 2006
> >> > Weekly international Ezine focusing on the
New
> >> Economics
> >> >
> >>
>
> >>
>
>
>========================================================================
>====
>
>> >
> >> > In this issue:
> >>
>
> >> > [ 1 ] AMI IN ACTION
> >> >
>
>> >
> >>
>
>
>========================================================================
>====
>
>> >
> >> > [ 1 ] AMI IN ACTION
> >>
>
> >> > Introductory Comments:
> >>
>
> >> > "Stepping past the local currency enthusiasts,
who
> >> seem to either not understand how the present privately
owned credit
> >> creating racket operates - or are frightened
of upsetting it, there
>is
> >> one
> >>
common principle that can be found among the plethora of real (as
>
>> distinct
> >> from superficial) monetary reform
proposals. It is that the
>inherent
> >> benefit
>
>> in creating the nation's money supply belongs to the community,
and
>that
> >> where it has been usurped by a privately
owned institution, such as
>the
> >> banking
>
>> fraternity, then if this civilization is to progress with
an
>equitable
> >> sharing of the wealth it is
>
>> > producing, then that right must be repossessed by the state
on
>behalf
> >> > of
> >> > the
populace.
> >> >
> >> > The AMI, driven by
author and Director Stephen Zarlenga, has
>developed
> >>
> a
> >> > blueprint for such a repossession exercise,
aimed specifically at
>the
> >> > worlds
>
>> > wealthiest (and most indebted) country. We are please to
reproduce
>
> >> > that
> >> >
blueprint:
> >> >
> >> > AMERICAN MONETARY
ACT
> >> >
> >> > An Act to restore the
Constitutional power to create Money to the
> >> > Congress
of the United States
> >> >
> >> > Be it
enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of
the
>United
> >> > States of America in Congress
assembled,
> >> >
> >> > SEC 1. SHORT
TITLE
> >> >
> >> > This Act may be cited as
the American Monetary Act
> >> >
> >> > SEC 2.
FINDINGS
> >> >
> >> > The Congress finds that
-
> >> >
> >> > (1) The Federal Reserve Act of
1913 effectively ceded the sovereign
>
> >> > power to
create Money delegated to Congress by the Constitution to
>the
>
>> > private financial industry.
> >> > (2) This
cession of Constitutional power has resulted in a
>multitude
of
> >> > monetary and financial afflictions, including an
uncontrollable
> >> > national debt, excessive taxation of
citizens, inflation of the
> >> > currency, drastic increases
in the cost of public infrastructure
> >> > investments,
excessive un-and under-employment, and erosion of the
> >> >
ability of Congress to exercise its Constitutional
responsibilities
>to
> >> > provide for the common
defense and general welfare.
> >> > (3) The issue of means of
exchange by private financial
>institutions as
> >> >
interest-bearing debts should cease once and for all.
> >> >
(4) The power of Government to create Money and spend or loan
it
>into
> >> > circulation as needed is similar but
different in nature from the
>power
> >> > to create
and market instruments of indebtedness; it eliminates the
>
>
>> > need to pay interest charges to financial institutions and
removes
> >> > their undue influence over public
policy.
> >> > (5) Direct disbursement of United States Money
can be readily and
> >> > easily implemented, including
replacement of Federal Reserve Notes
>and
> >> >
retirement of debt.
> >> > (6) The Federal Reserve System
shall be retained as a central bank
>of
> >> > issue, a
national fund processing clearinghouse, and a fiscal
agent
>for
> >> > the Government and should be
incorporated within the
> >> US Treasury. It should no longer be
utilized to introduce liquidity
>into
> >> the currency
system through interest-bearing debts.
> >> > (7) Government
policy with regard to monetary supply should be
>based on
>
>> > the principle of furnishing sufficient liquidity to support
the
> >> > reasoned sustainable expansion of the physical
economy, providing
>for
> >> > the common defense and
general welfare of the United States, and
>full
> >> >
employment of the nation's working population.
> >> >
>
>> >
> >> > TITLE I - DISBURSEMENT OF UNITED STATES
MONEY
> >> >
> >> > SEC. 101 AUTHORIZATION FOR
DISBURSEMENT
> >> >
> >> > Not later than 90
days after the effective date of this section,
>all
> >>
> United States Government disbursements shall be denominated
in
>United
> >> > States Money, the nominal unit being
the U.S. Dollar.
> >> >
> >> > SEC. 102 LEGAL
TENDER
> >> >
> >> > United States Money shall
enter into general domestic circulation
>as
> >> > full
legal tender in payment of all debts public and private.
> >>
>
> >> > SEC. 103 NEGATIVE FUND BALANCES
> >>
>
> >> > The Secretary of the Treasury shall directly
issue United States
>Money
> >> > to account for any
differences between Government appropriations
> >> >
authorized by Congress under law and available Government receipts.
>
>> >
> >> > Note: The fact that Treasury will be
able to make disbursements
>based
> >> > on direct
issuance of United States Money for negative fund
>balances
>
>> > reflects Congress's Constitutional authority to "coin
Money",
>because
> >> > Congress will then have the
ability to adjust the amount of Money
>so
> >> >
created by regulating both appropriations as well as revenues from
>
>> > taxation and other sources.
> >> > The focal
point of power will be the House of Representatives as
>the
>
>> > initiator of revenue bills. Restoring to Congress
its
>Constitutional
> >> > authority will shift the
ability to create Money and enter it into
> >> > circulation
from the private banking industry to our elected
> >> >
representatives, as the Constitution mandates.
> >> >
>
>> > SEC. 104 FORECASTING OF DISBURSEMENT REQUIREMENTS
>
>> >
> >> > The Secretary shall:
> >>
>
> >> > (1) forecast disbursement requirements on a
daily, monthly, and
>annual
> >> > basis;
>
>> > (2) provide such forecasts to Congress and the public;
>
>> > (3) integrate forecasts with the Federal budget
process;
> >> > (4) maintain a sufficient research capability
to continuously and
> >> > effectively assess the impact of
disbursement of United States
>Money
> >> > on all
aspects of the domestic and international economies;
> >> >
(5) report to Congress and the public regularly on the
economic
>impact
> >> > of disbursements of United
States Money and the status of the
>monetary
> >> >
supply.
> >> >
> >> > SEC. 105 MONETARY
CONTROL
> >> >
> >> > (1) The Secretary shall
pursue the policy that the supply of money
>in
> >> >
circulation should not become inflationary nor deflationary in
and
>of
> >> > itself.
> >> > (2)
Monetary supply targets shall be established by a
Monetary
>Control
> >> > Board consisting of nine
public members appointed for staggered
> >> > six-year terms
by the President with the advice and consent of
>the
> >>
> Senate and reporting for administrative purposes to the
Secretary.
> >> > (3) Responsibility to regulate the monetary
supply in reasonable
> >> > accordance with targets
established by the Monetary Control Board
>shall
> >> >
rest with the Secretary of the Treasury.
> >> > (4) The
Secretary shall report to Congress any discrepancies
>between
>
>> > targets and supply in excess of two percent at the end of
each
>quarter.
> >> >
> >> > SEC. 106.
DISBURSEMENT IN LIEU OF BORROWING
> >> >
> >>
> (1) Disbursement of United States Money under this Act shall
be
>made in
> >> > lieu of borrowing through Treasury
instruments.
> >> > (2) Such borrowing shall cease as of the
date stated in Section 101
>of
> >> > this title,
unless otherwise authorized by Congress;
> >> > (3) Nothing
in this Act shall prevent Congress from exercising its
> >> >
Constitutional authority to borrow on the full faith and credit
of
>the
> >> > United States.
> >>
>
> >> > SEC. 107 ACCOUNTING
> >> >
>
>> > The Secretary shall account for the disbursement of United
States
>Money
> >> > and of current fund balances
through accounting reports maintained
>and
> >> >
published by the Secretary and by departments and agencies of the
>
>> > Government. The General Accountability Office shall conduct
an
> >> > independent audit every second year.
>
>> >
> >> > TITLE II - RETIREMENT OF INSTRUMENTS
OF
> >> INDEBTEDNESS
> >> >
> >> >
SEC. 201 COMMENCEMENT OF RETIREMENT
> >> >
> >>
> Not later than one year from the effective date of this
section,
>the
> >> > Secretary shall commence to retire
all outstanding instruments of
> >> > indebtedness of the
United States by payment in full of the amount
>
> >> >
legally due the bearer in United States Money, as such
amounts
>become
> >> > due.
> >>
>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
CONCLUDED NEXT WEEK
> >> >
> >> >
>
>>
>
>
>========================================================================
>====
>
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always, your feedback is welcome and
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