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Subject:RE: [socialcredit] Between Douglas and George
Date:Friday, April 7, 2006  00:05:22 (-0700)
From:thomsonhiyu <thomsonhiyu @....ca>
In reply to:Message 3781 (written by Keith Wilde)

 

 

Hopefully Wally, or Michael, or someone more qualified to reply to some of your points than I am will come in on this Keith.  For the moment, I’ll just add some comments in ‘red’ below what you’ve written.

 

That site values increase under current systems is an undeniable, empirical fact. Just as undeniable is that the owners have usually done very little directly to 'earn' that increased value.  Thus the appeal of LVT.

 

Joe has argued persuasively, however, that LVT can be quite unfair to persons trying to operate a business on land that was formerly not of great interest to land speculators.  And he has provided texts from Douglas that suggest some more complicated approaches to the problem of changing site value. I'm not confident that I have understood them well, but would like to see them considered in relation to cultural heritage, dividends and compensated price.

 

I believe that’s how they have to be considered, Keith.  If I recall correctly, the proposals from “The Land For The (Chosen) People Racket”, deal primarily with British agricultural or rural lands.  Which were under threat of a well-planned ‘State’ imposed usurption and centralisation throughout, and immediately after, the Second World War .  Douglas, in the non-quoted, additional body of that text, explains the difference between the ancient ‘English’ and ‘Scottish’ restrictions on land use.  With the former stating only what ‘can’ be done on a certain piece of property, and the latter, only what ‘can’t’.  

 

We, in this country, unfortunately  follow the ‘English’ method.  Resulting in all our never ending ‘zoning’ laws, “Official Community Plans”, and a plethora of other ‘land use’ restrictions.   Generally imposed with little regard to the wishes of those who occupy the properties concerned, or their immediate neighbours.   And even if they do, they’re restrictions that, for the most part, anyone with sufficient ‘capital’ behind them can have swept aside by the ‘powers-that-be’ in any ‘public hearing’ without missing a beat in their march towards building the newest shopping mall, or big box retailer exactly where they want to put it.

 

.  You’ve no doubt heard of the ‘‘Agricultural Land Reserve Act” here in BC.  A piece of misguided , but well-intended legislation designed by BC’s first NDP administration to try to keep urban bordering ‘farmland’ from being paved over for development.  And lost forever to agriculture.    A ‘Soils Preservation Act’, calling for the relocation of arable topsoil, and it’s replacement with gravel or other non-arable material before any ‘development’ could proceed could’ve far more effectively accomplished the same thing.

 

 But the Provincial NDP likened the Fraser River Delta bordering Greater Vancouver to the ancient delta lands of the River Nile.  Or Vietnam’s Mekong delta area.  Places where an annual flood deposited another, fresh layer of upstream silt, and replenished the soil.  The Fraser River Delta is all well dyked.  It hasn’t flooded, or had any fresh soil deposited on it from upstream for generations.   The copious amount of silt that comes down the Fraser ends up out in the middle of the Straits of Georgia.  To protect this farmland, which farmers were struggling to survive on growing anything, the ALR froze all potential ‘farmland’, all over the Province.  Including many rural rock piles where even a good crop of lovingly tended ‘‘BC bud” would have a hard time flourishing.   And the price of non-ALR rural real estate went ballistic as a result.  All the better for those of the ‘socialist’ persuasion.  They got to exact more ‘taxes’ on this increase in ‘value’.  And made it that much more difficult for the ‘independent’ producer to stay on ‘his’ land.

 

Cultural heritage, understood primarily as technological advance, makes a contribution to increasing site values.  So, of course, does increasing human population and migration from places of lower site value to urban areas.  I have not perceived that Social Credit writers are advocates of population control, so assume that when the collective value of land in the nation rises it is a reflection of cultural heritage--an increment of national wealth that is not attributable to identifiable individual efforts and should therefore be shared equitably.  How is that to be done?

 

I don’t think in Canada, where we are taking in, of necessity we are told, a considerable number of new immigrants each year, any Social Crediters would be advocating ‘population control’, i.e., decreasing the birthrate.  I think the question is just ‘why’ is there the movement of people from rural to urban environments?  Personally, I believe if we had the ‘Social Credit’ corrections in place a lot of that trend would be arrested, and possibly reversed.  And we’d have a far better, more environmentally sound, society for it.  “The solution to pollution is dilution”

 

Wally's message from yesterday seems to suggest that when the consumer dividend and compensated price rebate are "spent", the effect is to cancel initial extensions of credit (to finance new production) and that there is consequently no surplus with which to inflate prices (especially of land, for purposes of this discussion). The national accounting and credit authority are assumed to control the quantity of credit and money in circulation, and to thereby maintain a stable price level. But is that sufficient to inhibit the dynamics of population movement and the consequent price pressure on land locations?

 

I’ll leave that one for Wally.  It’s late, I’ve got to work tomorrow.

 

Keith Wilde 

 

Joe 

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