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Subject:RE: [socialcredit] the "effect" of interest
Date:Monday, May 1, 2006  08:34:49 (-0700)
From:thomsonhiyu <thomsonhiyu @....ca>
In reply to:Message 3869 (written by Peter Haines)

Hi Peter,

 

I’ll respond below in ‘green’ this time.  But I’ll have to be brief, since I’m short of time this morning.  I’ll try to get back to many of the points you raise later, if they haven’t been answered by someone else in the meantime.

 

Thanks for your responce Joe.  I have made some replies but they are also in red as I cant get around that.

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(Peter:- ) If the fundamental flaw is in the accounting side the perspective of the accounting side isnt eligible to expalin to us how to look at things, is it?

 

(Joe replies:- )  Just because the ‘accounting side’ is currently incomplete, doesn’t mean it isn’t ‘‘eligible to explain how to look at things’’.  The ‘flaw’ lies not with the ‘accounting’ system itself, which continues to serve us well, but what it currently lacks at the macro-economic level.

 

(Ps responce- If the accounting system isnt at fault then the theorem must be.  Flaw, fault, incomplete are just words.  If you prefer 'incomplete' then you suggest they are working on it?   Is this necessary?  The point I was making was that we cant take it for granted ) 

 

(Joe replies:- )  No, they are not “working on it”.  And that’s the problem.  There is no fault in the Theorem itself, only that it hasn’t been well understood in WHAT it actually illustrates, the WAY it illustrates it.  

 

Throughout Douglas’s works there are numerous instances where he ‘turns things around’ to illustrate some point he wants us to think about in ways other than we commonly do.  It is a technique that I believe is called ‘reductio ad absurdum’,  reducing something to an absurdity, (because unless this technique is used, the ‘absurdity’ involved in our current conception of some particular issue can never be seen.)  

 

For instance, our common conception of , say, a 20% unemployment rate, is that it’s a terrible thing.  That we should be going flat out doing everything we can to ‘re-employ’ those people.  Douglas might turn that around and ask whether or not we are still able to produce more than 100% of all our requirements with only 80% of the workforce that’s still employed.  And if so, is it ‘unemployment’ itself that’s the bad thing, or does the real problem lie elsewhere. 

 

He’s not advocating for 20% unemployment in doing this, only trying to get us to see something beyond our common perceptions.  A+B is a complex ‘reductio’ that he is using to try to get us to see something we’re otherwise never going to.  Something that is just so difficult for us to conceive because of all the connecting factors involved, that the only way we’re ever going to get a proper perspective of what’s really going on is through employment of this method. 

 

 

There is no ‘National’ equivalent to the ‘capital account’ found in the Balance Sheet of  every business operating under the conventions of double-entry accountancy.  Were there, the overall relationship between the Banks and the rest of the economy could finally be rationally established.  Something that’s currently irrationally established, and the ‘cause’ of our problems.

 

(Ps responce- A national 'balance sheet' would be based on REALITY not aggregates of the 'incompete' systems.

 

(Joe replies:-)  It would be based on ‘REALITY’, or as close to it as we can get. 

 

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