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Subject:RE: [socialcredit] the "effect" of interest back to Peter II
Date:Thursday, May 4, 2006  08:48:37 (-0700)
From:thomsonhiyu <thomsonhiyu @....ca>
In reply to:Message 3869 (written by Peter Haines)

 

 

(Peter Haines wrote:-  ) I made the comment many months ago that I thought that the issue of 'interest' was a red herring and I still do.  The whole economic system is based on the preponderance of debt (( 97% of the money supply)) not credit.  If it was credit the value of its use to the community would be a determinant.  Because its debt to the banking system its availablitiy reflects a different value, and so businesses can fall because while they meet the former they dont the latter or similarly for various reasons including the fluctuating rates of interest that can be fatal after contracts for supply are commited to.  IE businesses are falling through cracks that need not be there.  There is a case of musical chairs, so many fatalities for every success. 

 

(Joe replies:- ) I think maybe you’re trying to say that the Banks don’t fully ‘monetize’ wealth.  Is that correct?

 

(Peter:- ) A slice of time or time freeze if you like such as saying that at the time the loans is deposited, the principle equals the debt and no interest involved at that point is pointless and misleading.

 

(Joe replies:- ) But as a matter of bookkeeping, it’s nevertheless true, is it not?  Interest ‘accrues’ over time.  It is a bookkeeping figure within the accounts of the Bank.  A ‘residuum’ ~ what’s left over.  Like ‘savings’ to you and I as individuals, and ‘profit’ to a business.  Interest  doesn’t  come out of the specific flow of the individual loan from the bank, but from the overall, ever ongoing flow of loans as they are made and repaid.   These three things, ‘interest’, ‘profit’ and ‘savings’ are part of the totality of unliquidated debt to the extent that they are retained and are accumulating in various account balances.   And their retention there affects the flow of  the total amount of purchasing power necessary to fully amortize  loans in each cycle of production.  Unlike the Marxist, the Gesellist and the Crank, Social Credit recognizes each for what it really is.   And that each is still a necessary thing in any rational economic system, since they are all indicators of the correctness of entrepreneurial, (including Bank as ‘business’), or individual action.  But while they are all valuable indicators in the sense of individual, entrepreneurial and Bank ‘bookkeeping’, their signifigance as ‘money’ ~ unliquidated ‘debt’ ~ in the overall economy, requires some further ‘bookkeeping’ at the ‘macro’ level to allow each business cycle to be fully financially self liquidating.  Especially where there is, as there now is,  ever ongoing ‘labour displacement’. This we accomplish with a proper set of national accounts, including a National Balance Sheet and a National Credit Account from which the ongoing ‘gap’ can be closed periodically as necessary by means of ‘debt-free’ new credits  to consumers, through price reduction, and/or direct dividend. 

 

 

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