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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] capital
Date:Friday, June 2, 2006  00:26:21 (-0600)
From:Wallace M. Klinck <wmklinck @....ca>
In reply to:Message 4089 (written by Triumphofthepast)

Major Douglas in The Monopoly of Credit, Fourth Edition, 1979:
 
Chapter IX, "Dividends for All"
 
"In a physical sense then we should be living in a world in which economic processes were carried out by two agencies, one, as heretofore, the agency of individual effort and from an economic point of view of decreasing importance, and the other, as the result of the plant, organisation, and knowledge which are the cumulative result of the effort not only of the present generation, but of the pioneers and inventors of the past.  This second agency can, of course, be collectively described as real (as distinct from financial) capital....
 
"Production is far more dependent upon real capital than it is upon labour, although without labour there is no production.  More and more the position of labour, using, of course, this word in its widest possible sense, tends to become the catalyst in an operation impossible without its presence, but carried on with a decreasing direct contribution from labour itself...."
 
Appendix I, Argument, Section I
 
"..the ostensible objective of industry is the production for use of goods and services to an extent rendered possible by the progress of the industrial arts.  The physical factors in the attainment of this objective consist of what are commonly called raw materials, which may reasonably defined as materials in the state in which they are found in nature, the application to these raw materials of a process involving, in the broad sense, tools, and thirdly, the expenditure of energy.  The distinguishing characteristic of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries is the rapid advance of process together with the rendering available of large amout of energy, which may be considered as derived for the sun.... for a given process the rate of production is proporionate to the rate of the use of energy....  The physical effect of these factors has therefore been to increase the rate of production of a given article per human unit of labour."
 
Comment:
 
It has been observed that Douglas added to the classic factors of production, i.e., "land, labour and capital," the concept of the "Cultural Heritage."  Real capital derives from the interaction of labour and raw materials .  The Cultural Heritage increases the efficiency of the productive process, which involves the interaction between labour and real capital.  Typically and historically this effect has been exponential.
 
Sincerely
Wally
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:26 PM
Subject: [socialcredit] capital

Keith objects to my including "raw materials" as "capital."  For one thing, I didn't say HOW raw.  Steel is a raw material, but it is not "just there." Ruskin's example is bulbs and tulips.  A bulb is a more natural form than steel, but I for one would never dare say a bulb was "just there."  I'm not sure where one can draw a line, or really what is the need to draw a line. 

"Economics is finally being applied to conserving nature as contrasted to merely consuming and exploiting it."  Social credit anticipated environmentalism (Douglas complaining of polution and the destruction of beautiful rural landscapes by mining and chemical industries).  The only difference is that Douglas regarded this as a higher form of EFFICIENCY, a careful stewardship of the natural world given us by God.  The conservation of nature can always be referred back to ultimate benefit to human beings of this or future generations.

Michael

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