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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] the "effect" of interest ~ back to Peter
Date:Sunday, June 4, 2006  10:38:59 (+1200)
From:Peter Haines <cymric @.......nz>
In reply to:Message 4104 (written by John G Rawson)

Good question.  I dont think that 'inflation' is necessarily automatic, no one accused the first Labour govt of causing inflation, that I recall.
 
The Credit Office ( authority) would play a roll in keeping things in potential balance, as you say.
 
What percentage of the money supply that is 'spent' into circulation from other than the present banking system will reduce the rate of ever increaing debt and its effect towards increasing inflation. So it could argued that flation will reduce on one area but could incease in another but no overall incerase.
 
If the nations infastructure is further developed then the "Appreciation" must also increase which has a relationship with the Dividend.  The increased/improved infrastructure can mean a reductiion in costs/prices eg transport, energy, communications etc as well as make the local industry more competitive in the international market.
While this development may create costs running into furture cycles the benefits can counter balance them or even bbring a favourable balance if this is achieved without increasing debt, but the pluses and minuses in all these are the business of the Credit Office.
 
At the end of the day the financial system has to SERVE the need to balance costs/prices and consumption in the interest of the people rather than a few shareholders.  The increment of association must go to the people otherwise we abandon a fundamental SC principle.
 
Peter H 
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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 8:47 AM
Subject: RE: [socialcredit] the "effect" of interest ~ back to Peter

So no Dividend because it will cause demand inflation? Of course any undue ijjection of money could.  But only after production (or, of course, importing, which is a danger) had risen to meet it and been fully absorbed.

If we have a credit authority to determine how much money can be issued without causing inflation,  I fail to see the distinction.  But I do see the ridicuolous setup of giving people money with one hand only to take it back in taxes.

Under those circumstances even a dividend could fuel rising price inflation if it had no price control mechanism inbuilt. I refer to the price paid to the vendor, not the cost to the buyer.

Regards.    John R.


From: thomsonhiyu <thomsonhiyu@shaw.ca>
Reply-To: socialcredit@elistas.com
To: socialcredit@elistas.com
Subject: RE: [socialcredit] the "effect" of interest ~ back to Peter
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:15:55 -0700

 

 

 

(John  Rawson wrote:- ) But surely, if Government is to spend none of the new money to be issued into circulation,  it will be faced for ever with the choice of taxation and/or borrowing for its expenditure? 

(Joe replies:-)  But if the Government DOES ‘‘spend this new money to be created into circulation’’, (say  for ‘infrastructure’, in the way the ‘Democrats’ propose),  you are going to get exactly what we got ~ ‘inflation’.  It really doesn’t matter the source of this ‘new money’   ~ private bank , Reserve Bank, or printing press ~ the effect will be exactly the same, since NONE of it is being introduced in a manner that will LOWER overall ‘consumer’ prices by being directly applied to that purpose. 

The ‘inflation’ will ‘tax’ you indirectly, and eventually  far greater and more permanently  than a ‘direct’ tax that you can see ever will. 

And policicians in need of popularity will borrow rather than tax, and government debts will continue to rise? 

Government debts continue to rise because the financial system as presently constituted is not completely ‘self-liquidating’. If it were completely ‘self-liquidating’ we would not be faced with having to continually convert the aggregate of unrepayable ‘floating’ private debt  into ‘fixed’ government debt that’s unrepayable, too.  (Except potentially  by having a permanently ‘favourable’ balance of trade with some other countries.  An increasing impossibility today.)   

Sounds as if the BC administration was going right along Douglas' lines in this particular, if not in others!  "Let them borrow, but give the (people) the money to pay the interest."

The original BC Social Credit League Government was, without any doubt whatsoever, the best administration this Province has ever had in its nearly 150 years of existence under the Crown.  No other Government before or since has come close to them in what was accomplished here in their 20 year tenure of office.  It was the ‘Golden Age of British Columbia’, truly, and no criticism of their failings, which were many, can ever detract from that.  But, as Wally said, they were anything but ‘Social Credit’.  And that, in the end, proved to be their greatest failing of all.  They paid, and still do, in the shell of what remains of the BC Social Credit ‘Party’, lip service to some of Douglas’s philosophy.  But there was precious little of most of it that was ever brought through into ‘policy’.  And a great deal more, particularly towards the end of their tenure, that was the complete antithesis of genuine ‘social credit’.    

And how does this gel with the atitude of some Social Crediters that most or all taxation is unnecessary?

Aside from ‘debt service charges’, just ‘what’ do most modern governments spend most of the money they raise on?  Is it not what might broadly be described as ‘social programs’?  The latest version of which in this country is  a proposal for subsidized ‘day care’ so that those families who can no longer financially afford to  ‘live’ on ‘one’ income can have both parents ‘working’.  (and slide faster into ‘poverty’ on ‘two’ !) We already, it has been calculated, work the first half of every year just to pay all the various taxes that are imposed upon us.  And that’s without ‘subsidized day care’ to add to the total.  Still it’s not enough to meet the needs that those who rule us say we’re demanding of ‘government’.  And it never will be.  For no matter how you re-distribute an ‘insufficiency’, it’s still an ‘insufficiency’.  And always will be until we consciously recognize just ‘what’ is ‘insufficient’ (to us, money), and ‘how’, (in its relationship to ‘consumer’ prices ).  

 

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