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Subject:[socialcredit] Re: clever propaganda
Date:Sunday, January 2, 2005  17:50:37 (-0800)
From:william_b_ryan <william_b_ryan @.....com>

[HERMANN] Government securities are also purchased by 
the Federal Reserve, that is, the Fed loans money to 
the Treasury - notwithstanding that this is only a 
small fraction of the national debt. Incidentally, to 
refuse to use the word "borrow" is obfuscatory.
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[REPLY]  The point is that the Fed does not purchase 
directly from Treasury, but through the dealers, like 
everyone else.  It is not exactly a "small fraction." 

It's about ten percent.  The purchase of a security 
by a bank is the functional equivalent to a loan.  
When a corporate entity - government or otherwise - 
sells securities it is effectively borrowing.  This 
is true whether the securities represent "equity" or 
"debt."  Much debt thereby masquerades as equity.  
Incidentally, there is no rule, regulation or law 
that requires the Fed to limit its purchases to 
Treasury securities.  Prior to the mid-1930s, it 
purchased a variety of securities, a practice which 
several other central banks still follow.  There is 
also no rule, regulation or law that prohibits the 
Fed from lending directly to Treasury.  It is the 
Fed's self-imposed practice not to do so, the period 
during WWII being a little known exception.
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[HERMANN] The essential difference between open 
market operations and direct "borrowing" from the Fed 
is that the bond dealers get to keep the interest. 
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[REPLY]  Well, they do keep some of it for the 
services they render.  Technically, the sellers and 
buyers in the securities markets do not transact 
directly between themselves, but through the dealer 
intermediaries, who do the selling and buying.  The 
dealers' gross profit is the differential between the 
prices they pay and the prices they sell.  As a 
general matter - and this applies to the Fed as well 
- the holders of securities for convenience do not 
hold to maturity, but sell to dealers shortly before 
the redemption date, who collect the interest.[see 
note below]  The interest the dealers get to "keep" 
is the differential between the price they paid for 
the securities in their own accounts, and their 
redemption value.

But in reality it's a lot more than that.  According 
to Friedman in the article cited, up to half of all
http://www.geocities.com/socredus/friedman-81.txt 
dealer transactions in Treasury securities are 
conducted for the Fed, yet the Fed holds only ten 
percent of marketable Treasury securities 
outstanding.  That means effectively that the Fed is 
paying, as a statistical matter, as much as five 
times more as a percentage of its portfolio in 
"service charges" to the dealers - effectively 
reducing interest earned commensurately - than is any 
other transactor in Treasury securities.  The 
justification being of course that the economy is in 
some sort unstable equilibrium that requires "fine 
tuning" to maintain.  Otherwise, it would spiral into 
chaos.  So they claim.  They argue from historical 
examples of hyperinflation, which will have to be 
addressed.  They can be.

The larger issue from the reform perspective is 
whether it is necessary for the central bank to 
engage in open market operations at all, in order to 
"inject" reserves (or "high powered" money) into the 
economy.  In principle, there are other ways than 
simply letting government "print" greenbacks and 
spending them, which at a minimum must further 
concentrate power in government.  Such poorly thought 
out proposals are guaranteed to keep the individual 
special interests behind government and finance in 
perpetual conflict, each protecting and trying to 
extend its own turf irrationally.  Each will justify 
what they do in terms of public welfare.  It devolves 
into what specific group takes control of the 
guillotine, where might will make right. 

Theoretically, the central bank could keep its 
independence - we do certainly want checks and 
balances in the democratic system - by paying 
"dividends" directly to final consumers.  If reserves 
at some point in the future need to be "drained," 
member bank reserve accounts could be levied or 
"taxed."  The process is presently in the reverse 
direction: consumers are "taxed," and reserves are 
"injected" through Wall Street, from the top down.  
In other words, it is "social credit" for the rich, 
and "trickle down" for the rest of us.
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[HERMANN] Their activities are an unnecessary drain 
on the taxpayer. No government ever needs to borrow 
from the private sector. Putting it another way, the 
national debt is the national sin.
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[REPLY]  Nonetheless, there are real costs to 
supplying financial services.  It remains to be 
demonstrated that a government department could do it 
more efficiently.  It certainly wouldn't be if the 
complete ignoramuses who typically make such 
proposals are running the show.  Furthermore, even if 
it could be demonstrated that it is more efficient 
from a purely technical perspective, disregarding the 
probable incompetence of personnel in the relevant 
department, it would also have to be demonstrated, 
beyond a reasonable doubt, that it is significantly 
enough more efficient in principle to justify the 
danger to the public in totally centralizing the 
power of finance with government, and the Stalin who 
might be on top.  Whether that can be accomplished is 
very much open to doubt.
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[HERMANN] Any money owed by government to the central 
bank is never paid back - because it does not need to 
be.
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[REPLY]  Every government security in the Fed's 
portfolio carries a redemption date.  It is redeemed 
on its redemption date, because it has to be.
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> Central-bank profit obtained from interest income 
always returns to Treasury.
> ------------------
> [REPLY]  Perhaps.  

[HERMANN] Indisputably.
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[REPLY]  Technically, the Fed does not rebate ninety-
five percent of its interest income, but ninety-five 
percent of its self-calculated net profit, being 
something less than its gross interest income.  It 
has only done that "voluntarily," the Fed's term, 
since 1948.  The rebate really is an arbitrary credit 
to Treasury's account for political cover.  A bribe, 
so to speak.
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> What is less recognized is the reality that the 
Federal Reserve is more than making up that "expense" 
or "lost income" to Wall Street by churning its 
portfolio (something it didn't do before - certainly 
not during the immediately preceding war years when 
the interest rate was "pegged") generating 
compensatory income to the "primary" dealers for the 
"service" they are providing, who are large banks and 
consortiums of banks, in one form or another.  That 
sop to Wall Street is effectively interest.  The 
rationale is they have to "fine tune" for monetary 
stability.

[HERMANN] You have provided yet another good reason 
for bringing in "monetary reform" and financial re-
regulation. From the article supplied we learn that 
"... The churning serves only to muddy the waters, 
introduce uncertainty and speculation and waste the 
taxpayers' money". Might even be a case for 
nationalizing the Fed?
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[REPLY]  The Fed is already "nationalized" and always 
was.  The President of the United States appoints its 
chairman and board of directors, subject to 
confirmation by the Senate of the United States.

The issue is accountability.
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[note from above] I am informed the process is a bit 
subtler than that.  The above is a simplification.  
The dealers normally never part with the physical 
possession of the securities they purchase until 
redemption, but hold most of them in beneficial 
"street name" for their customers who purchase 
securities from them, and sell to them, including the 
Fed, "transferring" the securities from customer 
"account" to customer "account" with trades.  They 
each of them hold "buffer stock" portfolios to their 
own account, analogous to "reserves."  Moreover, the 
dealers will sell "short" and buy "long" between 
themselves, in further variation on the concept of 
"fractional reserve" banking.  Martin Meyer's books 
are invaluable for learning details of the process.
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