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Hi Peter
Your
reasoning is correct. The purpose of creating this "Dept" is control over human
actions. Dept ridden people don't have freedom of choice over their actions.
"Chipping" of people is already taking place in the USA for convicted criminals
on the grounds of "internal security" so that law enforcement officials can keep
track of them. I am also looking at presenting the Commerce Commision with a
formal complaint about price advertised in units less than 10cents. I believe
such advertising is deliberately deceptive, and, as such, must be outlawed. I
don't use EFPOS or a credit card and always pay cash. Shops are allowed to
"round up" or "round down" to the nearest 10c when prices are quoted in 1c
intervals. I believe this is illegal. Only "rounding down" should be permitted,
because, by law, technically, a retailer is not allowed to charge a customer
more than the advertised price.
If I had the wherewithall I would be
challenging major retailers who "round up" prices in court to establish the
validity of "plastic card" Technology as a substitute for the legal tender of
the realm. I have a feeling that my case is a sound one. Coinage is still the
only official legal tender measure for monetary exchanges despite the fact that
today the overwhealming number of transactions now are electronic. Because
this is convenient for the banking system does not make them legally replace
coinage as the measure of money values. Would appreciate your feedback on this
one Peter?
Bill Mc G
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 6:50
AM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] The Question
of Exports
Howdy Bill,
From my understanding all these are caused by one
single phenomena called 'DEBT', we are passing through these
evolving stages driven by the same dynamic and it will eventually produce
a single world govt, cashless society, where everyone will be chipped and get
a dividend ( no chip, no identity/entity).
Until people see through the financial/economic
fraud they will be persuaded that what the experts are going with is the only
answer.
Everyone who have thought about things are
convinced that foreign investment is the only option outside govt borrowing
and bogging down into debt. I usually explain it to others as - like on a
Saturday everyone in the street pushes their lawnmower out their gate and go
and mow someone elses lawn in the street and we hope someone comes and mows
ours- this is the same as everyone needing everyone else to invest in their
country, which is the same as everyone has to export more than they
import.
Even though govt/public debt is quite managable
compared with pre-free market revolution days the push is still on to
privatise things like water and prisons etc.
The real issue is ideology (
philosophy) not economics but the western world has shifted from
'beliefs' to 'things'.
We can have more things by changing the financial
way of doing things but what we really need is to get back to the 'belief'
side ( Douglas has that balance), the sound philosophy will take care of
the material side just as the current ideology will take care of a one world
govt.
Cheers,
Peter H
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 2:43
PM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] The
Question of Exports
Hi Peter
How do we convince others that GATT, the IMF and the International Banking
are working to our disadvantage? How can we convince our government of the
folly perpetrated by "outsourcing" essential services to private
contractors whose main aim is profit for their shareholders and not public
service? The "deskilling" of western nations by transferring
manufacturing and banking facilities to nations that furnish
"cheaper" labour rates is a very real and potent threat to western
"civilisation". The only manufacturing area flourishing in western nations
now isd the armaments industry. This is a definite "cul de sac" that
encourages war and civil unrest. I sometimes despair at the gullibility of
the human race at times when politicians can persuade people that war is
better than peace. We are poor custodians of this
planet.
Bill Mc G
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 9:03
PM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] The
Question of Exports
I agree with you and John. I call that
free enterprize.
Peter H
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006
1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] The
Question of Exports
Hi Everyone
Bilateral trade agreements would definitely
contravene all the GATT agreements and undermine the stranglehold
that the IMF and World Bank have on world trade. Since I predicted
that GATT agreements would work to the disadvantage of Primary producers
and have opposed them from their inception I can only support John
Rawson. Fair trade can only take place between direct negotiators. The
IMF/World Bank introduces a third party that does nothing except
act as a wholesaler for money. We all know wholesalers are the biggest
rip off artists in the world. International Bankers are no exception,
and the sooner we cut them out of the trade cycle and negotiate directly
government treasury to governmant treasury the better.
Bill Mc G
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006
8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] The
Question of Exports
Our Party in NZ has for years had a policy of bilateral agreements,
in addition to normal multilateral trade, whereby we could exchange,
for example, NZ dairy products made into ghee for railway rolling
stock from India. We would give them credit from our Reserve
Bank of a certain sum to buy our product and request a similar action
from them. The Result would be an equivalent increase in both goods
(rail tickets here eventually) and money in each country without any
inflationary effect and without either having to borrow to do ther
deal. It is a means by which we could help poorer countries,
practically all of whom have something we could use. At the very
worst make it fashionable to buy some of their hand-made
artifacts.
I always regarded this as one of our most important and practical
policies. "Fair trade, not humiliating aid". Got
enthusiastic enough about it to be the made Party Spokesman on O'seas
Trade for some years when a Candidate. It would, of course, be a
lever to encourage monetary reform, whether SC or not, in other
countries.
It would be frowned on by those controlling traditional trade
agreements etc., but someone has to buck them some day!
Regards. John
R.
From: Martin Hattersley
<hattersleyjm@interbaun.com>
Reply-To:
socialcredit@elistas.com
To:
socialcredit@elistas.com
Subject: Re: [socialcredit]
The Question of Exports
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 12:20:07
-0600
>One other device that could be used in connection
with exports, is
>to agree to receive payment in the currency
of the receiving country
>(which might well be "frozen" or
made non-convertible into other
>currencies). This would
avoid the problem of third world countries
>busting
themselves to earn dollars with which to repay World Bank
>loans. Instead, the World Bank, or other overseas lender,
would be
>obliged to spend the payment within the country to
which the export
>had been made, so stimulating the economy
there.
>
>Martin Hattersley
>5929 - 189
St.,
>EDMONTON AB CANADA T6M 2J1
>Phone
(780)483-5442.
>jmartinh@shaw.ca
>e-mail:
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>----- Original Message ----- From:
"William Hugh McGunnigle"
><wmcgunn@maxnet.co.nz>
>To:
<socialcredit@elistas.com>
>Sent: Saturday, September
30, 2006 7:28 PM
>Subject: Re: [socialcredit] The Question of
Exports
>
>
>>This observation came from my
brother Singapore. With regards to
>>exports and
contractual work tendered in countries like S. Korea
>>amd
Taiwan they have devised an ingenious but perfectly legal
>>method of ensuring that their prices always beat their
competitors.
>> In contractual bids they gain a general
idea of their
>>competitor's bids and then approach their
governments for an
>>exchange rate concession. This
ensures that the Reserve Banks of S
>>Korea and Taiwan
adjust the exchange rate for that company to
>>ensure that
the company's bid will beat any competitors.
>> Their
export goods are costed in a similar manner. A personal
>>rate for the company for each country with whom they are
trading.
>>The returns from this are enormous, and benefit
those country's to
>>the disadvantage of everyone
else.
>> This appears to be the ultimate in exchange rate
manipulation
>>and impossible to police or
circumvent.
>> Thought it might throw some light on some of
the more bizarre
>>terading deals that have taken place
over the last half century.
>> Bill Mc G
>>-----
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<socredus@yahoo.com>
>>To:
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>>Sent: Sunday, October
01, 2006 4:45 AM
>>Subject: [socialcredit] The Question of
Exports
>>
>>
>>>*The New
Age*
>>>December 1, 1921
>>>The Question of
Exports.
>>>By C. H.
Douglas.
>>>
>>>The editor has passed on to
me two letters which seem
>>>to indicate some confusion
of thought as to the
>>>bearing of a modified credit
system on export Trade.
>>>Both these letters quote
statistics of wheat
>>>production and consumption with a
view to throwing
>>>some doubt on our capacity to grow
our own food.
>>>
>>>Now, ultimately,
statistics are indispensable to sound
>>>practical
politics, but to the writers of these
>>>letters, as
well as to others who may be tempted to
>>>attack the
problem on the basis of official
>>>statistics, it may
be emphasised that it is nearly
>>>irrelevant to the
primary issues whether this country
>>>can feed it's
population off its own acreage or not.
>>>It is quite
arguable that it can; and it is also
>>>arguable that it
would be bad business for it to
try.
>>>
>>>These issues
are:
>>>(I) Are there inducements operating towards the
best
>>>use of the land we have?
>>>(2) If
we export services (i.e., the energy element
of
>>>production) do we get the best real price for
them?
>>>
>>>In regard to (1), and leaving
out of the argument, for
>>>the moment, the indisputable
fact that the acreage
>>>under wheat is steadily
decreasing decade by decade,
>>>consider the position of
the farmer. He, like everyone
>>>else at present, is in
business to make money, not to
>>>deliver goods. It is
quite true that he makes money by
>>>selling things, but
he can easily make more money by
>>>selling less goods
at a higher price, than vice
versa.
>>>
>>>
>>>Now wheat is
one of a fairly small group of
>>>commodities over the
price of which the individual
>>>producer has
practically no control whatever. It is a
>>>graded
homogeneous product bought in bulk by experts
>>>who
have a strictly finite demand for it, and the
>>>price
paid is under existing conditions purely fixed
>>>by
supply and demand whether unfettered or
>>>artificially
stimulated by rings, and is not directly
>>>based on
cost.
>>>
>>>Normally, a given amount of
foreign wheat is
>>>contracted for in this
country-bought on "futures" by
>>>grain brokers whose
price fixes a datum line for
>>>home-grown wheat. So
long as wheat is in short supply
>>>as compared with the
demand, the price rises and
>>>everyone engaged in the
grain trade, either as
>>>producer or dealer, may
benefit, although no doubt
>>>most of the benefit goes
to the dealer.
>>>
>>>The relation of the
farmer to this situation must
>>>surely be plain. The
one situation he must avoid at
>>>all costs is that
produced by throwing grain on the
>>>market in any
quantity which will bring down prices,
>>>that is to
say, slacken the demand or competition to
>>>buy. His
criterion of a satisfactory output,
>>>therefore, bears
no relation to what amount of wheat
>>>the public
requires, or what amount the land will
>>>produce, but
rests fundamentally on, firstly, the
>>>operations of
the grain brokers and, secondly, an
>>>estimate of what
margin of profit can be extracted
>>>from the market by
keeping it short of wheat without
>>>causing a secondary
movement of grain from
other
>>>markets.
>>>
>>>As
transportation facilities improve, the
proposition
>>>becomes less and less attractive to the
farmer who is
>>>driven more and more to the production
of perishable
>>>goods, such as eggs, butter and milk,
whose nature
>>>enables him to control the local market,
or to the
>>>raising of stock on which the
transportation charges
>>>and risks are
heavy.
>>>
>>>The first prime question can
therefore be answered
>>>quite confidently in the
negative.
>>>
>>>In regard to the second
point, let us assume that the
>>>magnitude, at any rate
of our imports of foodstuffs,
>>>is a reasonable subject
of discussion and policy. It
>>>is evident that there is
a point at which it is
>>>debatable whether we should
grow the last few million
>>>quarters of wheat required
on land which may not be of
>>>the most suitable
description, or whether it is sound
>>>business
management to obtain this wheat by the
>>>exchange for
it of manufactured goods-that is to say,
>>>by an export
of economic energy.
>>>
>>>It does not take
much consideration to see that the
>>>answer to this is
purely quantitative: how much wheat
>>>are we to get for
a given energy export?
>>>
>>>It is true
enough, as our super-industrialists and
>>>orthodox
economists are always telling us, that
>>>imports are
paid for by exports, but, on the whole,
>>>they are
content to leave it at that. They do not
>>>explain, for
instance, how a population which most
>>>certainly
cannot, and does not, buy its own total
>>>production
for cash (if it could, there would be no
>>>necessity
either for home or export credits, and
no
>>>"unemployment" problem), can become able to buy
the
>>>imports which are exchanged for the
unpurchasable
>>>surplus.
>>>
>>>They
do not, again, explain how a textile worker,
paid
>>>wages for converting a bale of raw cotton worth,
say,
>>>into goods worth, say, can benefit if in return
for
>>>these manufactured goods two more bales of raw
cotton
>>>at are received-a condition common to Trade
booms. Nor
>>>do they generally publish the fact that
English
>>>machinery is often sold to export agents
abroad at far
>>>lower prices than those at which the
same machinery
>>>can be obtained at home, or that it is
possible to
>>>buy, in the bazaars of Bombay, a shirt
made in
>>>Lancashire for a quarter the price at which
the same
>>>shirt can be bought retail in
Manchester.
>>>
>>>The simple facts are
that, under existing
>>>arrangements, our principal
pre-occupation is the
>>>provision of employment--the
making of work. On this
>>>simple canon hangs the Law
and the profits.
>>>
>>>When, therefore, a
locomotive is required for the
>>>Argentine, and
assuming for the moment that it is in
>>>any sense sold
in the open market, there is a
>>>competition, open to
the industrial nations of the
>>>world, to sell
locomotives and to buy wheat, with the
>>>usual and
logical result that wheat appreciates in
>>>price in
terms of locomotives, the industrial
>>>exporting
country continually gives more, and the
>>>exporting
agricultural country continually less,
>>>economic
energy in every bargain.
>>>
>>>In order to
make a bargain which is Just, i.e.,
>>>judicious, the
industrial nation must be restored to
>>>the position of
a free, not a forced, seller, just as
>>>to restore
social equilibrium inside the nation the
>>>individual
must be put in the position of a free, not
>>>a forced,
worker. The arrangements which would fulfil
>>>these
desiderata are already sufficiently familiar
in
>>>principle to readers of *The New
Age.*
>>>-
>>>
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