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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] Douglas: 1923 Ottawa - Part 1
Date:Tuesday, December 19, 2006  18:09:06 (-0700)
From:Jim <jschroeder @....ca>

Hi Bill:
 
Thanks for taking the time to my queries, and I apologize for my tardy response.  I've been busy.
 
I will respond in red.
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "William B. Ryan" <w_b_ryan@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Douglas: 1923 Ottawa - Part 1

>I don't recall seeing a response from Joe on this.  So
> I'll attempt to briefly respond to Jim's questions
> below:
> ---------------------------------------------
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> Hi Joe:

> In your response to Peter, you stated:

> At various points along the horizontal, or "Time" line
> of the "L", draw three more diagonals parallel to the
> first.  Starting with the first diagonal,  label the
> first one "Costs", the second one "Incomes", the third
> one "Sales", and the final one "Expense".
> -

> I have a couple of questions relating to this diagram:

> 1) Why do costs occur prior to incomes being
> disbursed?
> ----------------------------------------
> [Response]  See the diagram appended that's also
> archived at
>
http://www.geocities.com/socredus/compendium
> Costs are not prior to incomes.  At any point in time
> costs and incomes are occurring concurrently.  This is
> the normal condition of continuous dynamic processes,
> in which all the elements of the process are occurring
> concurrently.
> -
 
Fair enough, but if you look at the graph along the horizontal axis, (Costs - A+B) begin when there is no income.  Income is not disbursed until a later time.
 
If the graph is merely a represtentation of incomes and costs ocurring concurrently starting at any point in time, then doesn't the graph itself assume that A+B > A for all t>0?  And doesn't this then beg the question?


> 2)  Why is the cost function and the expense function
> parallel to each other?
> ----------------------------------------
> [Response]  Costs and expense are identical, with
> costs being an actual measurable flow, with expense
> being the costs curve delayed in time by the
> conventions of accounting so that it is matched
> against future sales in determining profit or loss.
> -
I'm still a little confused on this, so I will start with a concrete example, and perhaps you can explain it to me from the example.
 
I own a business and purchase a building for $100,000.  The life of the asset is 10 years for simplicity.  Using straight line depreciation, this means I expense the building $10,000/ year for 10 years.
 
From the diagram, it appears to me that the whole $100,000 is delayed 10 years before it is expensed.

> 3)  According to this diagram, income > sales for all
> time>0.  Do you believe this to be true for all time?
> ----------------------------------------
> [Response]  The assumption is quasi-steady state
> expansion.  In steady state expansion income is always
> greater than sales because of the delay in the receipt
> of income and its expenditure, with the differential
> represented by accumulating account balances in the
> hands of consumers.
>
> On the other hand, it is possible to think of a
> condition of steady state contraction rather than
> expansion.  In that case, the disbursement from
> account balances held by consumers will exceed their
> income, in which case their account balances will be
> depleting to the theoretical limit of total depletion.
>
> What we are trying to do here is develop a general
> model in which we can introduce labor displacement in
> the A+B analysis, which is a departure from steady
> state.

Perhaps this is the crux of my misunderstanding with regards to this diagram.  Are you attempting to introduce labour displacement within the A+B analysis (i.e. assuming A+B to be true), or are you attempting to demonstrate the validity of A+B with the concept of labour displacement?
 
Take care, and Merry Christmas.
 
Jim

>
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> --- Jim <
jschroeder@shaw.ca> wrote:
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