| Subject: | Re: [socialcredit] Douglas: 1923 Ottawa - Part 1 | | Date: | Monday, January 1, 2007 01:49:07 (-0600) | | From: | Wallace Klinck <wmklinck @....ca>
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The "A1+B1, A2+B2 analysis" referred to below can be found, for
example, in the Appendix to "The Nation's Credit: A Precis os Major
C. H. Douglas' Proposals" by C. G. M. [Leeds: The British Social
Credit Society, January 1932 (Revised September 1967)]. The author
discusses the premature cancellation of credit by the banking system
and the relevance of the "scientist and engineer" whose activities
result in reducing labour costs and increasing plant charges in the
modern economy so that, unlike in a primitive economy, the latter are
not only large but continuous growing. That is, B costs are not only
large relative to A costs, but continuously growing relative to A
costs. I am sure that I sent a PDF of this entire document to you
some time ago, Bill. However, I will send another in the event that
it may have been lost or I may have neglected to forward it. It is
693KB which exceeds the attachment size of 750,000 bytes accepted by
Elistas so I will forward it off-list directly to you--and to anyone
else by request.
Best wishes to All for a happy and fruitful New Year.
Sincerely
Wally
On 30-Dec-06, at 2:06 PM, William B. Ryan wrote:
> "The A1+B1, A2+B2 analysis is present is Joseph's text
> as well as others..."
> ---------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------------
>
> There may well be others, though I'm not aware of who
> they might be. If you know of who they might be,
> perhaps you will refer us to them. Any such
> information would be most welcomed.
>
> I've converted the two Joseph papers that were
> forwarded to us by Wally Klinck into plain text that
> I've archived at
> http://www.geocities.com/socredus/compendium/joseph
>
> The theoretical structure of Social Credit inherited
> by us from Douglas and his colleagues is very sparse.
> Either we build on it (rather than accepting it as
> sacred text, which the remnant Social Crediters are
> prone to do) or admit the entire project is a complete
> waste of time.
> -
>
> "...but since you say he does not consider 'steady
> state', or 'quasi-steady state', I must assume that
> you have not answered my question."
> ---------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------------
>
> I've certainly answered your question in regards to
> the 1934 paper from Joseph, in which he simply does
> not consider either steady state or quasi-steady state
> in his analysis. It goes to relevancy. He
> specifically mentions changing coefficients in
> reference to labor displacement, which makes it
> consistent with Douglas' approach. If you're asking,
> What is quasi-steady state?, that's a totally separate
> question. I've pointed out a potential weakness in
> Joseph's taxonomy, in which he tells us where B1 goes
> but leaves open where B2 goes.
>
> Steady state is a dynamic process where nothing is
> changing--every relationship between the elements is
> remaining constant both quantitatively and
> proportionately.
>
> Quasi-steady state is a theoretical concept that
> admits that things may be changing in the dynamic
> process, perhaps quantitatively, but where the
> relationship between the elements is remaining
> constant. That is to say, from the atomistic
> perspective of any single element, everything appears
> to be remaining constant while the process is
> continuing.
>
> In respect of human cultures there are several
> examples that remained in quasi-steady state for
> centuries, where the language, mode of dress,
> agriculture etc. remained essentially the same, with
> only the population increasing. As more and more
> people were born, more and more land of essentially
> the same quality was brought into cultivation using
> the traditional methods, until there was no more land,
> and the culture collapsed when the population outgrew
> its means of sustenance.
>
> The Mayan culture in the Yucatan and Central America
> appears to have been one such culture, which had
> already collapsed centuries before the Spanish
> conquest.
>
> It appears that much of the area, subsequently
> overgrown with jungle, was once an elaborate system of
> raised bed fields watered by canals.
>
>
> --- Jim <jschroeder@shaw.ca> wrote:
> [snipped]
>
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