| Subject: | Re: [socialcredit] Douglas: 1923 Ottawa - Part 1 | | Date: | Monday, January 1, 2007 09:56:37 (-0500) | | From: | Joe Thomson <thomsonhiyu @....ca>
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(Bill wrote:-) " I've pointed out a potential weakness in
Joseph's taxonomy, in which he tells us where B1 goes
but leaves open where B2 goes."
(Joe replies:-) I don't want to divert the discussion you and Jim are
having away from the questions he's asking, but this is the second time
you've made reference to where B2 goes recently. And I get the impression
that it is of importance to what's being discussed. To satisfy my own
curiosity, just what are the possibilities for where B2 goes?
----- Original Message -----
From: "William B. Ryan" <w_b_ryan@yahoo.com>
To: <socialcredit@elistas.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Douglas: 1923 Ottawa - Part 1
> "The A1+B1, A2+B2 analysis is present is Joseph's text
> as well as others..."
> ---------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------------
>
> There may well be others, though I'm not aware of who
> they might be. If you know of who they might be,
> perhaps you will refer us to them. Any such
> information would be most welcomed.
>
> I've converted the two Joseph papers that were
> forwarded to us by Wally Klinck into plain text that
> I've archived at
> http://www.geocities.com/socredus/compendium/joseph
>
> The theoretical structure of Social Credit inherited
> by us from Douglas and his colleagues is very sparse.
> Either we build on it (rather than accepting it as
> sacred text, which the remnant Social Crediters are
> prone to do) or admit the entire project is a complete
> waste of time.
> -
>
> "...but since you say he does not consider 'steady
> state', or 'quasi-steady state', I must assume that
> you have not answered my question."
> ---------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------------
>
> I've certainly answered your question in regards to
> the 1934 paper from Joseph, in which he simply does
> not consider either steady state or quasi-steady state
> in his analysis. It goes to relevancy. He
> specifically mentions changing coefficients in
> reference to labor displacement, which makes it
> consistent with Douglas' approach. If you're asking,
> What is quasi-steady state?, that's a totally separate
> question. I've pointed out a potential weakness in
> Joseph's taxonomy, in which he tells us where B1 goes
> but leaves open where B2 goes.
>
> Steady state is a dynamic process where nothing is
> changing--every relationship between the elements is
> remaining constant both quantitatively and
> proportionately.
>
> Quasi-steady state is a theoretical concept that
> admits that things may be changing in the dynamic
> process, perhaps quantitatively, but where the
> relationship between the elements is remaining
> constant. That is to say, from the atomistic
> perspective of any single element, everything appears
> to be remaining constant while the process is
> continuing.
>
> In respect of human cultures there are several
> examples that remained in quasi-steady state for
> centuries, where the language, mode of dress,
> agriculture etc. remained essentially the same, with
> only the population increasing. As more and more
> people were born, more and more land of essentially
> the same quality was brought into cultivation using
> the traditional methods, until there was no more land,
> and the culture collapsed when the population outgrew
> its means of sustenance.
>
> The Mayan culture in the Yucatan and Central America
> appears to have been one such culture, which had
> already collapsed centuries before the Spanish
> conquest.
>
> It appears that much of the area, subsequently
> overgrown with jungle, was once an elaborate system of
> raised bed fields watered by canals.
>
>
> --- Jim <jschroeder@shaw.ca> wrote:
> [snipped]
>
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