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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] Douglas Social Credit for Canada
Date:Monday, February 12, 2007  08:22:36 (-0500)
From:Joe Thomson <thomsonhiyu @....ca>
In reply to:Message 4488 (written by Wallace Klinck)

Hi Wally,
 
Most of my information about Tutte, the Douglas visit to BC, and the early history of Social Credit here comes from BC historian and former politician David Mitchell's extensive 1983 biography titled "WAC Bennett and the Rise of British Columbia."  
 
While Mitchell gives a rather distorted view of Douglas and some of the Social Credit principles elsewhere in that book, (which might be expected from a non-Social Crediter in a work that is primarily a biography of someone else), I believe from what I've read of that era elsewhere, (Margaret Ormsby's "History of BC", and other works),  that he gives an accurate account of the early history of Social Credit here. 
 
From the bibliography in his book, I would think that most of what Mitchell has recounted of that time was drawn from a theses by a Barbara Horsfield  titled "The Social Credit Movement in British Columbia",  which was written in 1953 while she was attending UBC. 
 
 I have never read that particular theses myself, but doubtless she must have interviewed people involved that were still alive then, since most of the earliest SC activities were centered in Vancouver.
 
There was a biography about Duff Pattullo, who was BC Premier for most of the Depression years, (right up until the Liberals and Conservatives formed a coalition in the early 1940's to forestall any chance that the radically socialist CCF might come to power through 'free enterprise' vote splitting), written a few years ago.  I'm going to see if the Library here has a copy, and if there's any mention of the Douglas visit in it.  I'll let you know if I'm successful.
 
Sincerely,
Joe
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 1:01 AM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Douglas Social Credit for Canada

Thanks for these interesting additional comments and details, Joe.  What are your sources?  I am sure the Tutte book is readily available to you in the archives of the B.C. parliamentary library and some of the larger libraries in B.C.  Anyway, we will have to make a point of getting it into electronic format.

Sincerely
Wally

On 11-Feb-07, at 8:57 AM, Joe Thomson wrote:

Hi Wally, (and Jim),
 
No, I've never seen that particular book, Wally.  Though I have heard of it, and would very much like to read it.   
 
Prior to the Hughes' book,  I do not recall ever seeing Tutte's name being attached to the newspaper accounts of Major Douglas's welcome to Vancouver.   Nor of  Premier Pattullo's  subsequent invitation to him to  address to the B C Legislature, nor in the reporting of the substance of that address. 
 
William Tutte was one of the founders of the Douglas Social Credit Group, British Columbia Section, along with (another?) reporter working for the Vancouver Sun, Henry Torey,  in 1932. 
 
They, and a number of their friends and acquaintances formed an informal study group to discuss Douglas's ideas and how they might be applied here.  They didn't make any effort to 'spread the word' or expand, and maybe only a few dozen people were involved in total. 
 
When Douglas visited Vancouver on his return journey from New Zealand in 1934, Tutte's group assisted the Kiwanis Club in inviting him to address a meeting.  Which he did, and the reception was apparently far greater than expected.  Over a thousand people turned up to hear him speak. 
 
 A few days later Douglas travelled to Victoria to address the Legislature. There was no Hansard in the BC Legislature in those days, (or until relatively recently), so I do not have the complete text of that address.  Apparently he stressed that Social Credit reforms were 'economic' rather than 'political' in nature, and could be administered by any political party forming government.
 
The "Vancouver Sun" newspaper was still independently owned then, and very committed to the BC Liberal Party, which Pattullo headed.   While its rival "The Province" was a Southam paper and supported the Conservatives. (Now both are owned by Canwest Global and march to the tune of a different drummer ~ fortunately the political influence of newspapers has waned somewhat) 
 
Pattullo was essentially a "New Deal" advocate, rather than a 'monetary reformer' as was his main rival in BC Liberal-dom,  G G McGeer. When Aberhart was elected in Alberta the "Vancouver Sun" showed its true colours.  It's headline proclaimed "Alberta voted for Santa Claus."
 
Joe 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Douglas Social Credit for Canada

Hello Jim,

Thanks for bringing attention to W. A. Tutte's work, Douglas Social Credit for Canada, which you have recently borrowed  from the Alberta Legislature Library.   The book has been referenced in various publications dealing with Social Credit.  I read it many years ago having obtained it either from the same source or from the late L. Denis Bryne.  Surprisingly, I cannot seem to find a copy and must have returned it without making a duplication.  In his recent book, Major Douglas:  The Policy of a Philosophy, John W. Hughes (deceased) relates that during their "world tour" of 1934, upon disembarking from the Aorangi at Vancouver arriving from Sydney, Australia, Major Douglas and his wife Edith were met by an enthusiastic gathering which included Major-General Victor Odlum "and A. W. Tutte of theVancouver Sun, one of the most energetic advocates of Social Credit in Western Canada."  

By all means, it is part of the Social Credit literature and should certainly be available to students of the subject and should be accessible in electronic format.  Let me know what progress you make in this regard....  I would assume that Joe Thomson is entirely familiar with the Tutte book and probably has a copy of it (correct, Joe?).

Sincerely
Wally


On 10-Feb-07, at 9:58 AM, Jim wrote:

Hi Wally:
 
I'm wondering if you, or anybody else, has seen W.A. Tutte's book entitled "Douglas Social Credit for Canada"?
 
I loaned it from the Alberta Legislature library.  It is an excellent introduction to Social Credit, and if it's not readily available, I may try to scan it.
 
Have you seen it?  Any comments would greatly be appreciated.
 
Thanks,
 
Jim

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