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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] Economic Democracy
Date:Tuesday, March 27, 2007  07:12:34 (+1200)
From:Peter <cymric @.......nz>
In reply to:Message 4628 (written by Joe Thomson)

The main reason there is so much govt/parliament control and over regulation of society by laws is the debt banking system and their monopoly of the Community Credit as if their own.
 
Adding more laws as you advocate and defending their usurpation of what is the peoples property is no answer, but a further tinkering for 'the greater good'.
 
Its unDouglas to look to govt like socialism for remedies by law outside of the fundamentals.
It is fundamantal to ensure property is not taken by those who dont own it.  This is natural protection of citizens but to interfer within the fabric of the economy to fight symptoms will only cause govt to grow through laws and society is already over regulated by this practice.
Douglas remedies would see the reversal of both.  He represents political, constitutional, economic and financial reform.  This isnt tinkering with the philosophy/ideology which has brought us the cruel world as revealed by our friend in the Philippines.  We in the west have it a lot better, at present, but poverty is on the increase as we head for crisis on numerous fronts.
From Bretton Woods to today the scam-monopoly has grown by crimes against humanity of various kinds including the likes of international drug business and even wholesale wars to control prices and fill coffers of the hangers on.   military buildup and arms racing has begun a new unprecidented level and I expect it will be to fight over the pieces when the current system is collapsed.
If social crediters learn how to tinker I can see no use for us in the future.
 
Peter H  
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Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Economic Democracy

(Peter wrote:-)  the point is the abuse of power in telling a legal entity what it will do with its money.  If one doesnt like the Articles of Association what ever the corp holds out to investors as to its practise then one doesnt invest in it.  Laws should only be made to protect people from fraud etc not directing businesses what it will do with its profits.  This is a fundamental principle in any free society and more so to Social Credit philosophy. 
 
(Joe replies:-)  But society is already rampant with 'Laws' and 'regulations' telling 'legal entities'  what they will do with their money.  And even some mandating what they cannot do with it.  Some examples were outlined in Douglas's testimony before the Alberta Agricultural Committee, and that was back in 1934. 
 
We have only seen an increase in those things, ostensibly for the greatest  'public good', since then. It is a legitimate function of 'government'.  And, while there is certainly an opening for 'abuse' of power by 'government', there are also 'checks and balances' (still) in place to address that, (though they might well be strengthened by greater public understanding of them, and use.)
 
And, in his Proposals to your own NZ Government, also outlined in that same testimony, he clearly mandates 'how much' of a dividend,  (6%), Banks could pay their shareholders. Now, even though that seems to counter what I said in regards to a greater distribution of their profits, as I understand them, the NZ Proposals were to be an interim measure.  A way to introduce the SC principles to NZ  while alleviating the Slump. 
 
Regardless,  there is still the principle retained of Parliament being able to legislate in a manner that governs 'legal entities' over and above what might be contained in any business's particular Articles of Association, Letters Patent, Charter, etc.
 
And then there is the 'natural monopoly' aspect of banking, and the need for public oversight and regulation.  As there would be with all monopolies. .  But that's already been well covered previously, so I won't repeat the case for that here.
 
 

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