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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] U.S. Economics Test
Date:Wednesday, August 15, 2007  14:02:58 (+1200)
From:Peter <cymric @.......nz>
In reply to:Message 4970 (written by William Hugh McGunnigle)

I agree with your analysis Bill.  One can only pretend the world is flat for so long.
 
Reserves were a tribute to responsibility, a check and balance, for protection of society.  It was a form of accountablity.  Monopolies like dictatorships make these obsolete.
 
A central tenet of what Douglas has had to say and perhaps the greater part of his message to his generation is the the policy to centralise power is will to power and typifies all types of dictatorships/state control, ie fascism and communism, which is the opposite of social credit- Christian philosophy, will to freedom.
We dont fall into centralisation or decentralisation, we consciously do either.
 
The only reserve of a global system is its ability to aquire state assets when needed by what ever means the most expedient.   If you have read the US National Defence Strategy 2000, it quite simply says that where the IMF and World Bank are unable to bring any nation under control/into line it will use the USA military to do so, except it colours it so it appears to be eliminating potential for terrorism.
Peter 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] U.S. Economics Test

Hi Everyone
                 Taking up points raised by Bill Ryan and John Rawson I ask the question:- "If the banking system is becoming more and more centralised into fewer and fewer private hands, is this in the long term interests of the world's general populace?"
        The monoply exerted by the banking system on the world's money supply at present is being radically misapplied as witnessed by the vast amount of poverty in countries like Indonesia where there is vast wealth of resources being exploited for the benefit of those outside Indonesia. Surely concentration of the control of the world's money supply into one single privately owned bank would really ascerbate that problem?
     Does anyone agree with that analysis? or am I missing something in the arguments being presented?
   Bill Mc Gunnigle
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] U.S. Economics Test

Thanks for making that clearer, Bill. That, of course, is why I object to the term "fractional reserve" for the system, and why I suspect the bankers encourage its use.  "Nil reserve banking" or "creation banking" (pity the latter is clumsy) would be a better description.

Regards.    John R.


From: <william_b_ryan@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: socialcredit@elistas.com
To: socialcredit@elistas.com
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] U.S. Economics Test
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 06:45:48 -0700 (PDT)
>John, Douglas' point is correct. Beyond regulatory
>requirements, a bank needs reserves only to cover
>deposits lost to other banks, as they are lost.*
>Banks of course individually gain and lose deposits to
>other banks, but if a bank has no net loss of deposits
>as it is granting loans, it has no need for reserves
>to cover them. A perfectly coordinated banking system
>has no need whatsoever for reserves, exactly as if it
>were one large monopoly bank with many branches. As
>the banking system becomes increasingly coordinated,
>the need for reserves is diminishing.
>
>* Simple withdrawals are similar. Individual banks
>do not issue their own banknotes and coins, but must
>purchase them from the central bank. If deposits of
>banknotes and coins equal withdrawals of banknotes and
>coins, there is no need for reserves to purchase them.
> Regardless of the volume of transactions.
>
>
>--- John Hermann <hermann@picknowl.com.au> wrote:
>
> >> By Mr. McMaster: Q. So they pay three per cent and
> >> invite the public to deposit by advertisements just
>to
> >> get a smoke screen?-
> >>
> >> A. I should say that.
> >
>
>That is not correct. Banks and other depositories
>invite the public to transfer their deposits from
>transaction accounts to interest-bearing accounts
>because the latter generally have a reduced reserve
>requirement (in the U.S. we find that term deposits
>have zero mandatory reserve requirement). This action
>effectively frees up reserves, which may be used by
>commercial banks in support of additional lending to
>the public.
>
>In regard to this method of acquiring excess reserves,
>the interest paid to depositors is generally a lower
>cost to a bank than is the cost of borrowing the same
>quantity of reserves from within the financial system.
>This explains the incentive for banks to offer
>interest-bearing deposits to the public.
>
>John Hermann
>
>
>
>
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