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Date:Monday, September 10, 2007  14:43:53 (-0700)
From:keith wilde <kwilde @...............org>
In reply to:Message 5018 (written by william_b_ryan)

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william_b_ryan@yahoo.com wrote:


There may be scanners that can read microfiches
directly. While that is technically feasible, I doubt
that they are readily available.

Perhaps the easiest way is to print from the
microfiches, then scan from the printed document page
by page into a form suitable for OCR. I am assuming
that the microfiche readers have printing capability.

The archive does offer a photcopy service but it has to be ordered and takes quite a long time--as well as being more expensive than making a CD for oneself.

It depends very much on the quality of the printed
document. At the very least the OCR'd document is
going to need a lot of editing, a labor-intensive
process.

It may be more effective to transcribe the text from
the printed pages. Since I am a very fast typist, I
often find that transcribing is better and faster for
me than OCR'ing then editing. Regardless, I think it
would be worth it to put this valuable archive into
the public domain.

What I might do, if I were you, is print out all eight
hundred and some pages at the library, then hire
someone or pay a transcribing service to type them out
into a word processor like Word.
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A good idea, but expensive. I need to work on getting someone to give me a contract to get the stuff into print, but that will depend on coming up with a persuasive argument to the right potential funder.

At the end of the document, you write: "As a veteran
British banker and theorist put it recently, banks
create money *for their customers*, not for
themselves."

Is that Geoffrey Gardiner?

Yes.

I don't agree entirely
with how it is put.

If we define money as deposits transferable by check
or electronically, banks control completely the
crediting and debiting of deposits to customer
accounts.

Most net increases to aggregate customer accounts
derive from loans, the purchase of securities by the
banks, etc.

But banks also credit customer accounts when they
write checks for the payment of salaries, wages,
dividends including interest paid to depositors, and
ordinary business expenses.


-----------------original message--------------------

The attachment does not bear directly on the question
about William Chant, but the content points toward an
archive that may have some interest here. My
mini-essay describes a marathon encounter between the
governor of the newly nationalized Bank of Canada and
several MPs of reformist persuasion, including several
Social Crediters and especially Gerry McGeer from
Vancouver.

I would like to make that archive more widely
accessible, but am unaware of an easily available
technology for doing it. As the essay notes, the
archive is difficult to read. I have copied a
substantial quantity onto a CD, but don't know how to
get a microfiche sheet pasted into an optical
character reader software so that I can edit. Can
anyone help me?

Keith
-------------------------------------------------------

Keith's attachment:

A Monetary Education for MPs

Keith Wilde

A Parliamentary document from 1939 may be the most
illuminating exposition of fundamental money and
banking principles and operations that I have
encountered. It is the *Minutes and Proceedings of
the Select Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce,
Eighth Session*. A few contextual details add
significance to the proceedings:

The Bank of Canada opened in March of 1935, under a
Conservative government. In August of 1935, Albertans
elected a full slate of members from the newly formed
Social Credit party. Then a federal election in
October defeated the Conservatives and elected 171
Liberals. Only 39 Conservatives were returned. The
Social Credit party had 17 of its candidates elected,
15 from Alberta and 2 from Saskatchewan. The CCF won
7 seats. The new government nationalized the Bank in
1938, buying all of its shares from the private banks
that were its original owners. Early in 1939, the
Bank submitted its annual report to the new owner, and
on February 20, 1939 the report was referred to the
Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce. The
Committee was convened to begin its task on March 8
and reported back on June 1, 1939. *The Minutes of
Proceedings and Evidence Respecting the Bank of
Canada* runs to 858 pages in 25 volumes, recording the
proceedings of thirty sessions. Most of the content
appears to have been generated through interrogation
by members of the principal witness, Bank Governor
Graham Towers.

Two decades of turbulence in monetary thought

The 1930's had been a period of exceptional popular
interest in monetary policy. Not only was the Great
Depression a potent motivator; groundwork for concern
had been building on the inside and the outside of
financial institutions since the end of the Great War.
Economic impacts of the War stimulated the thinking
not only of J.M. Keynes (*Economic Consequences of the
Peace*, *Treatise on Money*, and finally *The General
Theory of Employment, Interest and Money*) but also of
C.H. Douglas, founder of Social Credit, who made
extensive appearances as expert witness in this same
House of Commons Committee in 1923 and in a committee
of the Alberta legislature in 1934. Meanwhile, Graham
Towers was on a fast track of learning and influence
within Canadian and international banking circles,
with a special interest in the purposes and functions
of central banking. The Great Depression intensified
a focus on monetary issues that had been building
since the post-war depression. And one of those
captivated by the subject was Gerald McGeer of
Vancouver, who was elected as a Liberal MP in 1935.
As a B.C. legislator and mayor of Vancouver he had
already associated himself prominently with monetary
and banking issues, notably with a critique of the
Royal Commission on Banking and Currency in 1933,
headed by Lord MacMillan to address the Depression
conditions and particularly the advisability of a
central bank. By the time he was sent to Ottawa as an
MP, McGeer had completed a book on monetary policy,
*The Conquest of Poverty*, that became instantaneously
influential among monetary reformers in
English-speaking countries, not under McGeer's own
name but rather as words attributed to Abraham
Lincoln. (This confusion has been explained
previously in issues of ER.) Given this context, the
rather electric quality of the Proceedings should be
no surprise. (And the moment passed. Within a few
months Canada was at war, an election had increased
the government's majority, the Social Credit presence
had shrunken to 10 MPs, and a commitment to fiscal
policies to maintain full employment had taken the
wind out of monetary reform.)

Fishing for concessions

The expert witnesses were Graham Towers and Clifford
Clark, Deputy Minister of Finance. Most of the
content of the minutes is the grilling of Towers by
committee members, the most aggressive of which were
McGeer and a couple of Social Crediters. Towers
appears to have been present to answer questions
through the whole of it, as was Clifford Clark, Deputy
Minister of Finance for most of it. The Minister,
Charles Dunning was also present on many occasions.

As the first witness, Clark provided descriptive and
quantitative details about the Canadian currency and
its development in decades prior to 1935. That didn't
take long, and then Towers took the chair to explain
the field of credit and the role of banks and banking.
It is my impression from having read about half of the
minutes (painfully, on poor quality microfiche) that
they should be made accessible more widely as a
virtual textbook of money and banking fundamentals as
they used to be. I went to the National Archives to
consult these Proceedings in order to verify some
statements attributed elsewhere to Towers. I did find
them, and noticed that they had been elicited by a
Social Credit member and by McGeer, as follows:

Page 223
Question from Landeryou (SC from Lethbridge):
"Ninety-five percent of all our volume of business is
being done with what we call exchange of bank deposits
-- that is, simply book-keeping entries in banks
against which people write cheques ?"
Towers: "I think that is a fair statement."

Page 285
Question from McGeer: "When you allow the merchant
banking system to issue bank deposits -- with the
practice of using cheques -- you virtually allow the
banks to issue an effective substitute for money, do
you not ?"
Towers: "The bank deposits are actually money in that
sense."

Page 287
Question from McGeer: "But there is no question about
it, that banks create that medium of exchange ?" [I.e.
bank deposits]
Towers: "That is right. That is what they are for."
McGeer: "And they issue that medium of exchange when
they purchase securities or make loans?"
Towers: "That is the banking business, just in the way
that a steel plant makes steel."

One of the infrequently heard members observes on p.
400 that "McGeer and the social credit people are
circling around 'debt-free money'". McGeer affirmed
that his purpose was to persuade the Committee that
there is a costless (or at least lower cost) way of
mustering the money (finance) to get men and materials
into operation for important productive activities.
(Towers freely acknowledged that although an "easy
monetary policy" had been in place for several years,
there was still plenty of under-employed labor and
materials. He defined "easy money" as no need to
impose bank rate restrictions or cash reserve
requirements on banks-they had plenty.) McGeer kept
returning nonetheless to this question: Why should a
government with the power to create money give that
power away to a private monopoly? And especially, why
should it then borrow from the banks and pay interest?
Towers' response: "Parliament can change the way the
banking system operates if it wishes to do so." This
point is confirmed and illuminated in the following
research note provided by the publisher of a
now-defunct money reform newsletter:-

"The Government of Canada has constitutional right to
create 100% of the nation's money supply.

"The Canadian Constitution, Section 91 under Powers of
Parliament states:

"'... the exclusive Legislative Authority of the
Parliament of Canada extends to all Matters coming
within the Classes of Subjects next hereinafter
enumerated; that is to say, -- ...
14. Currency and Coinage.
15. Banking, Incorporations of Banks, and the Issue of
Paper Money.'"
-

The unwavering Towers

The physical difficulties of reading the microfiche
version of the Proceedings prompted me to consult the
biography of Graham Towers, commissioned to celebrate
his contribution as the fiftieth anniversary of the
Bank approached. The author, Douglas Fullerton, was a
well-established Ottawa figure who had worked directly
with Towers in non-Bank contexts, and he was given
access to Bank staff and records for research on the
book. The tone of quoted passages from his book is
fully consistent with what I heard of Towers from
senior officers who had worked under him, when I was
an employee of the Bank in 1965 and 66. And comments
about the performance of both Towers and McGeer are
supported by my own impressions from the 1939 hearings
before I had opened the biography.

From *Graham Towers and His Times* (Toronto:
McClelland and Stewart, 1986) Pages 88 to 93.

"The depression broadened interest in central banking
among students and businessmen, and the number of the
initiated gradually increased. Canada's continuing
economic troubles also created a new group that was
skeptical about all aspects of the conventional
approach to money creation. As Towers noted in a
speech to Queen's University students, the phrase
"sound money" came to be almost a form of
reproach...In 1939 he appeared before the Commons
Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce, which had
a principal goal of educating members of Parliament
and the public about the Bank. In his appearances
before the committee, Towers was soon drawn into
battle with monetary dissidents and self-styled
reformers, particularly those of the Social Credit
persuasion...

"Bruce Hutchison describes the scene vividly in The
Far Side of the Street. Gerald McGeer...had begun as
"an ignorant boilermaker" but made himself "a King's
Council, a Biblical soothsayer, a scourge of Canadian
politics, a piercing thorn in Mackenzie King's side."
Hutchison says McGeer "stumbled by accident on the
science of money. Inflamed by the discovery, he
perfected a fool-proof monetary system of his
own"...Hutchison's own "economic illiteracy" led him
to become an "unpaid press agent and travelling
companion" to McGeer - "a third-rate Boswell to a
second-rate Johnson."...As soon as [McGeer] arrived in
Ottawa, he made himself a pest about monetary matters.
He filled the pages of hearings on banking with his
unorthodox monetary views; he cross-examined all the
witnesses, and often tied them in knots. That is,
until 1939, when he confronted Graham Towers. As
Hutchison noted: Hour after hour, day after day,
[Towers] answered Gerry [McGeer], the prosecutor, in
such perfect diction that it could have been published
verbatim as a book. Gerry used his blustering
questions like a club. Towers' thrusts were delivered
with a rapier. A western giant and an eastern
giant-killer had met in death grapple while the
committee watched in admiring stupefaction but without
comprehension.

"In 1949, F.C. Mears of the Montreal Gazette had this
to say...: [Graham Towers] parliamentary performances
won't be forgotten. The times he has appeared before
the banking committees of House and Senate, always in
an atmosphere heavily charged with political
controversy, if not acrimony, the Governor of the Bank
of Canada has been exceedingly effective. Back in
1939, when the Bank of Canada was only four years old,
he was obliged not only to explain but also actually
to defend the institution. The rapid fire of questions
and answers on fairly intricate monetary questions,
the magnitude of the issues involved, and the
prominence of the man on the stand, made it mighty
hard for party whips to hold a quorum in the House.
Towers could never be trapped into exhibiting heat,
could never be caught off base. At the same time he
had to be nimble and quick, for there were legislators
who had done a lot of homework on the banking
problems...There was dignity, there was an apparently
inexhaustible resourcefulness, a flash of good humour
when the moment required it, sometimes the measured
reply, never a retreat. The long duration of these
appearances, the wide variation in the quality of the
questioning, the repetitiveness in the answers, and
the perennially difficult problem of dealing with
half-truths and misconceptions required enormous
concentration and patience...What helped sustain him
was his recognition that most of the questioning was
inspired by the government's failure to deal
satisfactorily with the problems of the
depression...An even stronger motivation for standing
up under extended parliamentary committee fire without
bridling was Towers' compulsive drive to straighten
out his questioners, to tell the truth as he saw it,
to counter charges with the best arguments he could
muster. He accepted this task as almost a holy
commitment. He worked at it; if his replies were to
have an impact, then they had to be simple and clear
and without holes. It was Towers the educator at his
best."
-

Towers' principal response, in my reading thus far, to
the complaint that a government with sovereign power
of monetary policy should have given it to a private
monopoly, was that banks didn't simply have a key to
the candy store. He continually stressed that when
banks create deposits they are creating a liability
for themselves which they then have to protect
themselves against in some way. The promissory note
of the borrower is only part of it; they buy other
assets as well, using cash from depositors and credits
transferred from other institutions. As a veteran
British banker and theorist put it recently, banks
create money *for their customers*, not for
themselves.
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