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The B of E loan to Germany wasnt of the
same magnatude as the investments by Wall St.
A great reference for the latter is "Wall Street and the
rise of Hitler" by the late Anthony C Sutton, Bloomfield Books.
I believe that Japan got most if not all its oil from the
US prior to Pearl Harbour. There was nomother way they could have cut off
the supply to Japan tipping the political balance in Japan towards the war-hawks
faction.
Also I believe that the main British oil supply was in
Brunei, Nth Borneo which is a sultanate.
I also understand that the oil well fires in Iraq were set
by British and US special forces for propaganda reasons. In 2003 they
were sent in again to make sure S.H didnt actually do it since they were going
to occupy the whole country. This has been published in western
media.
Peter
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(John Rawson wrote:-) I have seen clains that the B. of
E. lent Japan £35 million ab. 1935 to build its fleet. About the time it
lent Nazi Germany £50 million.
(Joe replies:-) I would take it that those sums
would have been spent in Britain, to purchase British-priced goods.
Thereby aiding the all important goal of 'full-employment', no matter what the
eventual cost.
We know Japan was deficient in tool steel, which it had
to source from abroad. Likely most of their machine tools, (lathes,
milling machines, drill presses, as well as heavier machinery ~ "things to
make things with" ~ would have had to have been imported as
well.
And they did not have sufficient iron ore to run their
steel industry, but relied on imported 'scrap'. (And still do ~ samurai
swords aside, their steel is garbage. You cannot machine it
smoothly, it's full of hard spots. Even today American steel (from
Bethlehem Steel , if it can be had) is the best. Beautiful stuff to work
with.)
Also the Japanese would have had to buy all their
petroleum, as everything moved from being coal powered to oil powered.
At that time they'd have been sourcing that from the USA, the
Dutch East Indies (Indonesia), or the British. Who controlled the major
oilfield in Asia then, in Burma. (The facilities that were set ablaze and
destroyed by the retreating British Army just before Rangoon fell to the
Japanese~ Saddam wasn't the first to use those tactics! The British based
Burmah Oil Company, Ltd., wanted compensation for their losses from the
British government after the war. I don't know whether they ever
got it.)
I would imagine pre-war Japan had a constantly growing
need to accumulate enough 'foreign exchange' to purchase what it needed to try
to maintain itself as a world-class power. Small wonder they would try
to use their own 'national credit' internally by rather unorthodox
methods if that was the means to their desired end.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 12:47
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Subject: RE: [socialcredit]
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I have seen clains that the B. of E. lent Japan £35 million
ab. 1935 to build its fleet. About the time it lent Nazi Germany £50
million.
Unfortunately, the usual Socred lack of documentation of sources
prevails.
Regards. John
R.
> Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:18:19 -0400
> From:
thomsonhiyu@shaw.ca
> To: socialcredit@elistas.com
>
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] question
>
> (Peter wrote:-)
"....the Bank of England lent such a huge amount of
> credit to Japan
that it was kept a secret."
>
> (Joe replies:-) I don't know
about the Bank of England's secret lending to
> Japan, Peter, but it's
plausible. Japan must have needed considerable
> international credit
to go in the short time that it did from feudal state
> to a modern,
industrialised country complete with a modern, well-equipped
>
military, I would think.
>
> There's no question pre-WW I Japan
was quite useful to Britain to have as an
> ally. The Japanese
directly checked Russian military expansionism in the
> Far East and
northern China by being the victors in the Russo-Japanese War
> in
1905. (With considerable covert British assistance.) Indirectly, the
>
weakening of Russia would have removed a threat from that direction
towards
> British interests in India and Persia (Iran).
>
> After the outbreak of war in Europe in 1914 the Japanese were able
to
> wrest control over the 'sphere of influence' that Germany had
established in
> China. The Germans had a substantial millitary
prescence there, including a
> powerful fleet of modern warships.
Evidence of the importance the Kaiser
> attached to what he reportedly
stated to be Germany's most important
> overseas possession. (Quite
likely not so much for what 'goods' China could
> provide Germany, but
as a substantial peace-time 'captive' outlet for
> German manufactured
goods.)
>
> This German Pacific Fleet based in China was
considered to be a prime menace
> to British Columbia, since the
British Empire's main ship-repair facilities
> in the entire Pacific
were then located at Esquimalt, outside Victoria, B.C.
> Destruction
of the large graving dock there, ( one of the few in the world
> that
could accomodate a ship the size of the original Queen Elizabeth ~
and
> did, during WW II), would have been quite a military
accomplishment.
>
> At the outbreak of war in 1914, the Royal
Canadian Navy had but one
> obsolete cruiser to defend this facility,
and the entire BC coast.
> Fortunately, for us, the Japanese Imperial
Navy quickly sent modern ships to
> take up station and defend against
what was feared would be an imminent
> attack. (Prior to that, to
bolster the shamefully inadequate defences, the
> BC Government
secretly purchased two submarines made for the Chilean Navy
> from
their US builders. An act completely 'ultra vires' of its
>
Constitutional powers. 'Constitutions', it would seem, CAN be
circumvented
> when circumstances warrant it, and there's a clear
indication of public
> support. )
>
> As it turned out,
the anticipated attack never came. The German Pacific
> fleet divided,
with one small group going into the Indian Ocean, where it
> wreaked
havoc on Allied shipping for quite some time. I believe some of
>
those German sailors were later captured, and interned as POWs in
New
> Zealand. Before escaping, I believe, and somehow making it back
to
> Germany.
>
> The main German force made for home via
Cape Horn. Along the way
> annihilating a Royal Navy task force that
intercepted it off the coast of
> Chile. The Royal Navy later turned
the tables off the Falklands, and
> removed that menace
entirely.
>
> I believe the Japanese also sent destroyers to
patrol in the Mediterranean,
> where the Austro- Hungarian Empire's
Navy posed a enemy submarine threat
> for some time.
>
>
After the war, Hirohito was an honoured guest of King George V at the
Royal
> Family's Balmoral estate, an indication of British
appreciation for his
> country's war effort, and that Japan had
achieved a unique status as an
> non-white world power. It must have
been somewhat of a slap in the face
> when their alliance was not
renewed by Britain a short time later.
>
> I think it's quite
within the realm of possibility, as Douglas indicated in
> "The Big
Idea", that the influence of 'International' Finance over
> post-war
British policy had a hand in that.
>
>
> ----- Original
Message -----
> From: "Peter" <cymric@xtra.co.nz>
> To:
<socialcredit@elistas.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 3:54
AM
> Subject: Re: [socialcredit] question
>
>
>
> Douglas was explaining the conflict between the prestege of character
and
> > the prestege of money power. Both Japan and Britain were
the victims of
> the
> > latter at the expense of the
former.
> > In the early part of the century, I am not sure if it
was pre-world war
> one
> > or immediately after that the
Bank of England lent such a huge amount of
> > credit to Japan that
it was kept a secret. It would be inevitable that in
> > the
thirties Japan would have been subject to the banks directions and
>
thus
> > the policy outside their control- doing the opposite to
what Douglas would
> > advise.
> > This circmstance may
have had an influence of Japan's decision to go to
> war
> >
upon the US ( some neutral policy!) cutting off her oil supplies.
>
> Peter
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Joe Thomson" <thomsonhiyu@shaw.ca>
> > To:
<socialcredit@elistas.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007
12:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [socialcredit] question
>
>
> >
> > > "....but gave evidence at
> >
> countless official inquiries in Great Britain, Japan,
> > >
Canada, New Zealand and Australia."
> > >>
> > >
(Bill Ryan:-) Question: What "official inquiries" did Douglas give
>
> > evidence to in Japan and Australia?
> > >
> >
> (Joe replies:-) I think Rowbotham might have phrased that a bit
better.
> > >
> > > The "official enquiries"
certainly weren't "countless". At least not if
> > > we're using
"official enquiries" in terms of Douglas's presentation of
> > >
evidence under that designation as it applies to the various
>
Committees
> > > he
> > > appeared before in Ottawa,
Alberta, New Zealand, and the MacMillan one
> > > we've
>
> > been discussing most recently. There are four, by my
count.
> > >
> > > In Japan in 1929, following the
presentation of his paper at the World
> > > Engineering
Conference Douglas was attending in Tokyo, I believe it
> > >
would
> > > have been more correct to state that he was
interviewed by "officials"
> of
> > > that country's
Finance Ministry.
> > >
> > > And, over the period
of a week apparently, must have answered many of
> > > their
"inquiries" as to his ideas.
> > >
> > > I think
this would most likely have been the nature of any "inquiries"
>
he
> > > received from "officials" during his visit to Australia
also. Doubtless
> > > there must have been "countless"
conversations where various "officials"
> > > in
> >
> various places made their own "inquiries" regarding his ideas
in
> > > conversation with him over the years.
> >
>
> > > It is interesting to note that Douglas, despite his
evidence before the
> > > Alberta Agricultural Committee in 1934
where he speaks of the Japanese
> > > using
> > >
"the reverse" of his ideas, still seems to be quite favourably
disposed
> > > towards the Japanese.
> > >
>
> > This is also touched on in his more 'political' writings in "The
Big
> > > Idea",
> > > where he seems to indicate
that Japan, a staunch and effective British
> > > ally
>
> > throughout World War One from start to end, was subjected to a
"loss of
> > > face" when their alliance was terminated after
World War One.
> > >
> > > We have not discussed
what is implied in "the reverse" of his ideas, as
> > >
the
> > > Japanese applied them during the pre-WWII years. Any
comments on that?
> > >
> > > Do you suppose "the
reverse" of Douglas's ideas on national credit also
> > >
implies the "the reverse" of his philosophy regarding the
relationship
> > > between the State and the individual as
regards the Japan of that era?
> > >
> > >
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From:
<william_b_ryan@yahoo.com>
> > > To:
<socialcredit@elistas.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, October
06, 2007 10:24 AM
> > > Subject: [socialcredit] question
>
> >
> > >
> > >> The current issue of "The
Social Crediter" contains
> > >> this statement from Michael
Rowbotham's book, *The
> > >> Grip of Death*:
> >
>>
> > >> "...Douglas was a massive political influence
in his
> > >> day, and a major figure on the world stage. He
not
> > >> only had a world-wide following, but gave evidence
at
> > >> countless official inquiries in Great Britain,
Japan,
> > >> Canada, New Zealand and Australia."
>
> >>
> > >> Question: What "official inquiries" did
Douglas give
> > >> evidence to in Japan and
Australia?
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>>
> > >
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