| Subject: | Re: [socialcredit] question | | Date: | Wednesday, October 10, 2007 20:45:47 (+1300) | | From: | Peter <cymric @.......nz>
|
| In reply to: | Message 5060 (written by William Hugh McGunnigle) |
Thanks for that Bill. An actual cause has never been made by those who I
have seen making reference to this incident other than to say it was not the
torpedo ( the Germans)as commonly reported/repeated.
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Hugh McGunnigle" <wmcgunn@maxnet.co.nz>
To: <socialcredit@elistas.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] question
> With respect the sinking of the Lusitania
> The Lusitania was definitely hit by one torpedo from the U20. In itself
> this torpedo has never been considered to have inflicted sufficient damage
> to have sunk the ship. A second explosion occurred almost immediately
> after the torpedo hit. This explosion was extremely heavy and was of a
> slow rumbling nature similar to a coal dust or boiler explosion (Testimony
> of eyewitnesses). It was certainly NOT an explosion of the sharp nature
> associated with military weaponry.
> There is no doubt that the ship was carrying small arms ammunition,
> and empty shell casings. This sort of military hardware does not lend
> itself to spontaneous detonation by shock. This has been verified by an
> examination of the ships manifest avaiable in the USA. These details have
> been embargoed in the UK by government order until beyond 2025.
> There are seveal ideas proposed to explain the second explosion that
> caused the damage that sank the ship in 18 minutes. These include:-
> 1) A coal dust explosion in the longitudinal bunkers on the starboard side
> on the liner. This would have been sufficient to cause a substancial
> breach in the ship's hull. The fact that the ship listed very quickly to
> the starboard side indicates there was severe damage to that side of the
> ship. This type of damage occurred on a British hospital ship in the
> Aegean when she struck a mine. Prof Picard's investigations of the wreck
> confirmed this when he discovered large quantities of coal on the sea bed
> on the ships track as she sank.
> 2) An explosion of the steam generating plant in No 1 boiler room that
> would conceivably have blown a substancial hole in the hull at that point
> in the forward boiler room. (see later explanation of ship design that
> would have exacerbated the flooding problem)
> 3) The rapid listing of the vessel submerged open portholes on the
> starboard side that allowed rapid flooding of the vessel on that side.
> Recent study indicates that the damage by the torpedo alone could have
> been sufficient to cause a big enough list to submerge those open
> portholes.
> What has been established beyond any doubt is that the ammunition in
> the forward holds of the Lusitania did not explode. Such an explosion
> would have caused significant deck damage or even have blown the bow off
> the ship. This did not occur.
> The ship design is also quoted as a contributary factor to the sinking.
> Lusitania had longitudinal bulkheads seperating the coal bunkers from the
> boilers. These ran the length of the ship. Any damage to the forward
> bunkers could have established the rapid listing of the ship and the
> flooding would have been restricted to the bunkers on the outside of the
> longitudinal bulkhead. For obvious reasons the watertight doors would not
> have been closed because the stokers would have needed access to the coal
> for the ships furnaces. The list would have been aggravated by this
> restriction causing the ship to capsize. All of this was observed by both
> survivors and observers on the shore.
> Unfortunately the ship lies on her starboard side and so the extent of
> the damage to that side of the ship cannot be examined by divers at
> present, and so the whereabouts of the hull damage responsible for the
> sinking of the ship has still to be determined.
> I trust this clarifies some of the details about the Lusitania sinking.
> Bill Mc Gunnigle
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter" <cymric@xtra.co.nz>
> To: <socialcredit@elistas.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [socialcredit] question
>
>
>>I have come across that several times. That ship was allegedly a means of
>>transporting munitions between the US and Britian which was illegal.
>> It has also been claimed that the wreck shows evidence of an explosion
>> from within the ship rather than a torpedo from without.
>> Peter
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Martin Hattersley" <hattersleyjm@interbaun.com>
>> To: <socialcredit@elistas.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [socialcredit] question
>>
>>
>>>I think the sinking of the "Lusitania" in 1916 (which involved some
>>>behaviour by her captain that defied orders designed to protect against
>>>U-boats, and involved also an unexplained explosion that sent her to the
>>>bottom in record time - information on this comes from Google) is also an
>>>element in the involvement of the United States in WWI on the Allied
>>>side - because of the substantial German population in the U.S., it took
>>>a "Pearl Harbour" or "9/11" type of event to bring public opinion around
>>>on the "proper" side.
>>>
>>> Martin Hattersley
>>> 5929 - 189 St., NW
>>> EDMONTON AB CANADA T6M 2J1
>>> (780)483-5442
>>> jmartinh@shaw.ca
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joe Thomson" <thomsonhiyu@shaw.ca>
>>> To: <socialcredit@elistas.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [socialcredit] question
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (Peter wrote:-) . I never knew about the German navy in China.
>>>> Western
>>>> Samoa was given as a trust territory for NZ to administer after the
>>>> fall of Germany. The US has Eastern Samoa. Western Samoa is
>>>> independant
>>>> now but have NZ citizenship as of right.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (Joe replies:-) Pre-WW I China had been carved up into various
>>>> 'spheres of
>>>> influence' by the European powers of the day, and the USA and Japan.
>>>> The
>>>> Germans were based on the T'sientsin Peninusula, (spelling of that
>>>> might
>>>> differ in some records).
>>>>
>>>> Germany was late getting into the 'colonial' game. The best pickings
>>>> were
>>>> gone by the time they got going. I think Tanganyika (Tanzania, now),
>>>> was
>>>> the only thing they had other than their Chinese concession that was
>>>> really
>>>> of any value.
>>>>
>>>> They also had what's now Namibia, some possessions in West Africa, and
>>>> Papua
>>>> New Guinea, as well as what you mentioned. Samoa and some smaller
>>>> islands
>>>> in the south Pacific. Trying to dislodge them from Tanganyika took the
>>>> British quite a while.
>>>>
>>>> Luckner was the German naval commander that had such success in the
>>>> Indian
>>>> Ocean, in between India and Africa. A very chivalrous sort, he made
>>>> sure
>>>> all the crews and passengers were safely off any Allied ship he sank
>>>> before
>>>> sending it to the bottom. Hardly the archtypical, ruthlessly barbaric,
>>>> baby-bayonetting Hun of Allied propaganda. He eventually made it back
>>>> to
>>>> Germany.
>>>>
>>>> Their main Pacific naval force was commanded by Admiral Graf Spee. He
>>>> gave
>>>> the Royal Navy quite a drubbing off the coast of Chile. He met his end
>>>> in a
>>>> naval battle off the Falklands after rounding the Cape.
>>>>
>>>> Ironically, not that far from where the German battleship named after
>>>> him,
>>>> the "Graf Spee" opened her seacocks and scuttled early in World War
>>>> Two.
>>>> Rather than fight it out with the British Commonwealth warships that
>>>> had her
>>>> cornered.
>>>>
>>>> The other irony in all of this was the Japanese coming to the defence
>>>> of
>>>> British Columbia. Where, seven years earlier, a mob led by goons from
>>>> the
>>>> racist Asiatic-Exclusion League had gone on a rampage against the
>>>> Chinese
>>>> and Japanese that had settled here. The spillover of the American
>>>> financial
>>>> panic of 1907, and a genuine 'white' fear that more 'Asiatics' would be
>>>> brought in to displace higher waged 'white' workers with lower waged
>>>> 'yellow' ones was exploited by this group, who wanted to expell all
>>>> non-whites from the Province.
>>>>
>>>> They smashed up businesses in Vancouver's Chinatown and Japtown areas.
>>>> The
>>>> Chinese 'turned the other cheek', so to speak. But the Japanese, when
>>>> attacked, gave as good as they got. Or maybe better.
>>>>
>>>> It must have been a bit hard to swallow for some of these people that,
>>>> seven
>>>> years later, all that was keeping them from a possible attack by their
>>>> fellow "white Europeans" was a Navy of little "yellow Asiatics". (And,
>>>> of
>>>> course, our two subs, one obsolete cruiser, and a couple of 'pop-guns'
>>>> on
>>>> shore.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (Peter continues:-) Douglas says in the same section ("The Big Idea" ~
>>>> Joe) that it was the US which pressured Britiain to end the Treaty
>>>> with
>>>> Japan in 1922. A couple of pages earlier he mentioned that
>>>> the B of E was put under a US advisor and appears to be 1917. I
>>>> suspect
>>>> that this coinsides with the US agreeing to come into the war after the
>>>> same
>>>> international banker deligation from Britian visited the US which would
>>>> be
>>>> the fulfillment of the promise made to Lloyd George the new Prime
>>>> Minister
>>>> in 1916, whom just happned to be also the British Zionist
>>>> organisations
>>>> solicitor, that if he should spare the unsparable troops from the war
>>>> against Germany and do service breaking up the Ottoman Empire to free
>>>> Palestine for- you can guess, they will be repaid by US assistence in
>>>> the
>>>> war.
>>>>
>>>> (Joe replies:-) I have yet to see a complete accounting anywhere else
>>>> of
>>>> the things Douglas mentions in that whole section, from the point where
>>>> he's
>>>> quoting the British Ambassador to Washington, Sir Cecil Spring-Rice,
>>>> right
>>>> through to the visit of Rufus Isaacs, and the change of sympathy of the
>>>> German-American-Jewish financiers of Wall Street.
>>>>
>>>> We know that Douglas must have been very well-connected. He seemed to
>>>> move
>>>> in circles which definitely included the 'movers and shakers' of the
>>>> post-WW
>>>> I era. And he certainly must've had many private conversations with
>>>> these
>>>> people, in which they would likely be telling him many things which
>>>> might
>>>> have bearing on what he would be telling them.
>>>>
>>>> I think it's highly unlikely that what he wrote in that section would
>>>> all be
>>>> 'made-up', or the product of an 'anti-semitic' imagination. Yet that
>>>> whole
>>>> period, and beyond, seems to have an aura of mystery about it. There
>>>> are
>>>> things that happened that do not seem to make sense. They may be
>>>> co-incidences, but it still seems strange that there are so many
>>>> co-incidences. It's definitely an area in which there should be further
>>>> research done, and especially if the passage of time has now unsealed
>>>> much
>>>> of what might have earlier been 'classified' information.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (Peter continues:-) . The Americans need to look very closely
>>>> at the series of building up war machines to be used and then destroyed
>>>> because there have been very unhealthy signs appearing since the year
>>>> 2000.
>>>>
>>>> (Joe replies:-) That certainly wouldn't hurt, though I doubt it would
>>>> really change anything. The other night there was a documentary on the
>>>> American PBS TV station we receive from Seattle about the growing
>>>> political
>>>> influence of those Americans who have convinced themselves that
>>>> modern-Israel is composed of "God's Chosen People". And that America
>>>> and
>>>> Americans must do its bidding to achieve eternal Salvation.
>>>>
>>>> I believe those currently following this idea was stated to be
>>>> something
>>>> like 60 million people. About one fifth of the American population, in
>>>> other words. We could probably expect a similar ratio here in Canada,
>>>> though hopefully it would be less.
>>>>
>>>> These are certainly not 'evil' people, even though they are, in my
>>>> opinion,
>>>> hopelessly deluded. The problem is not so much with their belief, and
>>>> those
>>>> who take great pains to re-inforce its veracity, but that they are, at
>>>> present, certainly a very pliable 'putty' in the hands of 'evil'
>>>> people.
>>>> And therein lies great danger for America and the world.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Joe Thomson" <thomsonhiyu@shaw.ca>
>>>>> To: <socialcredit@elistas.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 8:18 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [socialcredit] question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > (Peter wrote:-) "....the Bank of England lent such a huge amount
>>>>> > of
>>>>> > credit to Japan that it was kept a secret."
>>>>> >
>>>>> > (Joe replies:-) I don't know about the Bank of England's secret
>>>>> > lending
>>>>> > to
>>>>> > Japan, Peter, but it's plausible. Japan must have needed
>>>>> > considerable
>>>>> > international credit to go in the short time that it did from feudal
>>>> state
>>>>> > to a modern, industrialised country complete with a modern,
>>>> well-equipped
>>>>> > military, I would think.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > There's no question pre-WW I Japan was quite useful to Britain to
>>>>> > have
>>>> as
>>>>> > an
>>>>> > ally. The Japanese directly checked Russian military expansionism
>>>>> > in
>>>> the
>>>>> > Far East and northern China by being the victors in the
>>>>> > Russo-Japanese
>>>> War
>>>>> > in 1905. (With considerable covert British assistance.)
>>>>> > Indirectly,
>>>> the
>>>>> > weakening of Russia would have removed a threat from that direction
>>>>> > towards
>>>>> > British interests in India and Persia (Iran).
>>>>> >
>>>>> > After the outbreak of war in Europe in 1914 the Japanese were able
>>>>> > to
>>>>> > wrest control over the 'sphere of influence' that Germany had
>>>> established
>>>>> > in
>>>>> > China. The Germans had a substantial millitary prescence there,
>>>> including
>>>>> > a
>>>>> > powerful fleet of modern warships. Evidence of the importance the
>>>> Kaiser
>>>>> > attached to what he reportedly stated to be Germany's most important
>>>>> > overseas possession. (Quite likely not so much for what 'goods'
>>>>> > China
>>>>> > could
>>>>> > provide Germany, but as a substantial peace-time 'captive' outlet
>>>>> > for
>>>>> > German manufactured goods.)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > This German Pacific Fleet based in China was considered to be a
>>>>> > prime
>>>>> > menace
>>>>> > to British Columbia, since the British Empire's main ship-repair
>>>>> > facilities
>>>>> > in the entire Pacific were then located at Esquimalt, outside
>>>>> > Victoria,
>>>>> > B.C.
>>>>> > Destruction of the large graving dock there, ( one of the few in the
>>>> world
>>>>> > that could accomodate a ship the size of the original Queen
>>>>> > Elizabeth ~
>>>>> > and
>>>>> > did, during WW II), would have been quite a military accomplishment.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > At the outbreak of war in 1914, the Royal Canadian Navy had but one
>>>>> > obsolete cruiser to defend this facility, and the entire BC coast.
>>>>> > Fortunately, for us, the Japanese Imperial Navy quickly sent modern
>>>> ships
>>>>> > to
>>>>> > take up station and defend against what was feared would be an
>>>>> > imminent
>>>>> > attack. (Prior to that, to bolster the shamefully inadequate
>>>>> > defences,
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > BC Government secretly purchased two submarines made for the Chilean
>>>> Navy
>>>>> > from their US builders. An act completely 'ultra vires' of its
>>>>> > Constitutional powers. 'Constitutions', it would seem, CAN be
>>>>> > circumvented
>>>>> > when circumstances warrant it, and there's a clear indication of
>>>>> > public
>>>>> > support. )
>>>>> >
>>>>> > As it turned out, the anticipated attack never came. The German
>>>>> > Pacific
>>>>> > fleet divided, with one small group going into the Indian Ocean,
>>>>> > where
>>>> it
>>>>> > wreaked havoc on Allied shipping for quite some time. I believe some
>>>>> > of
>>>>> > those German sailors were later captured, and interned as POWs in
>>>>> > New
>>>>> > Zealand. Before escaping, I believe, and somehow making it back to
>>>>> > Germany.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The main German force made for home via Cape Horn. Along the way
>>>>> > annihilating a Royal Navy task force that intercepted it off the
>>>>> > coast
>>>> of
>>>>> > Chile. The Royal Navy later turned the tables off the Falklands,
>>>>> > and
>>>>> > removed that menace entirely.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I believe the Japanese also sent destroyers to patrol in the
>>>>> > Mediterranean,
>>>>> > where the Austro- Hungarian Empire's Navy posed a enemy submarine
>>>> threat
>>>>> > for some time.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > After the war, Hirohito was an honoured guest of King George V at
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > Royal
>>>>> > Family's Balmoral estate, an indication of British appreciation for
>>>>> > his
>>>>> > country's war effort, and that Japan had achieved a unique status as
>>>>> > an
>>>>> > non-white world power. It must have been somewhat of a slap in the
>>>>> > face
>>>>> > when their alliance was not renewed by Britain a short time later.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I think it's quite within the realm of possibility, as Douglas
>>>>> > indicated
>>>>> > in
>>>>> > "The Big Idea", that the influence of 'International' Finance over
>>>>> > post-war British policy had a hand in that.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> > From: "Peter" <cymric@xtra.co.nz>
>>>>> > To: <socialcredit@elistas.com>
>>>>> > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 3:54 AM
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [socialcredit] question
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Douglas was explaining the conflict between the prestege of
>>>>> >> character
>>>> and
>>>>> >> the prestege of money power. Both Japan and Britain were the
>>>>> >> victims
>>>> of
>>>>> > the
>>>>> >> latter at the expense of the former.
>>>>> >> In the early part of the century, I am not sure if it was pre-world
>>>>> >> war
>>>>> > one
>>>>> >> or immediately after that the Bank of England lent such a huge
>>>>> >> amount
>>>> of
>>>>> >> credit to Japan that it was kept a secret. It would be inevitable
>>>>> >> that
>>>>> >> in
>>>>> >> the thirties Japan would have been subject to the banks directions
>>>>> >> and
>>>>> > thus
>>>>> >> the policy outside their control- doing the opposite to what
>>>>> >> Douglas
>>>>> >> would
>>>>> >> advise.
>>>>> >> This circmstance may have had an influence of Japan's decision to
>>>>> >> go to
>>>>> > war
>>>>> >> upon the US ( some neutral policy!) cutting off her oil supplies.
>>>>> >> Peter
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >> From: "Joe Thomson" <thomsonhiyu@shaw.ca>
>>>>> >> To: <socialcredit@elistas.com>
>>>>> >> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 12:23 PM
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [socialcredit] question
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > "....but gave evidence at
>>>>> >> > countless official inquiries in Great Britain, Japan,
>>>>> >> > Canada, New Zealand and Australia."
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> > (Bill Ryan:-) Question: What "official inquiries" did Douglas
>>>>> >> > give
>>>>> >> > evidence to in Japan and Australia?
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > (Joe replies:-) I think Rowbotham might have phrased that a bit
>>>> better.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > The "official enquiries" certainly weren't "countless". At least
>>>>> >> > not
>>>>> >> > if
>>>>> >> > we're using "official enquiries" in terms of Douglas's
>>>>> >> > presentation
>>>> of
>>>>> >> > evidence under that designation as it applies to the various
>>>>> > Committees
>>>>> >> > he
>>>>> >> > appeared before in Ottawa, Alberta, New Zealand, and the
>>>>> >> > MacMillan
>>>> one
>>>>> >> > we've
>>>>> >> > been discussing most recently. There are four, by my count.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > In Japan in 1929, following the presentation of his paper at the
>>>> World
>>>>> >> > Engineering Conference Douglas was attending in Tokyo, I
>>>>> >> > believe it
>>>>> >> > would
>>>>> >> > have been more correct to state that he was interviewed by
>>>> "officials"
>>>>> > of
>>>>> >> > that country's Finance Ministry.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > And, over the period of a week apparently, must have answered
>>>>> >> > many
>>>> of
>>>>> >> > their "inquiries" as to his ideas.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > I think this would most likely have been the nature of any
>>>> "inquiries"
>>>>> > he
>>>>> >> > received from "officials" during his visit to Australia also.
>>>>> >> > Doubtless
>>>>> >> > there must have been "countless" conversations where various
>>>>> >> > "officials"
>>>>> >> > in
>>>>> >> > various places made their own "inquiries" regarding his ideas in
>>>>> >> > conversation with him over the years.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > It is interesting to note that Douglas, despite his evidence
>>>>> >> > before
>>>> the
>>>>> >> > Alberta Agricultural Committee in 1934 where he speaks of the
>>>> Japanese
>>>>> >> > using
>>>>> >> > "the reverse" of his ideas, still seems to be quite favourably
>>>> disposed
>>>>> >> > towards the Japanese.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > This is also touched on in his more 'political' writings in "The
>>>>> >> > Big
>>>>> >> > Idea",
>>>>> >> > where he seems to indicate that Japan, a staunch and effective
>>>> British
>>>>> >> > ally
>>>>> >> > throughout World War One from start to end, was subjected to a
>>>>> >> > "loss
>>>> of
>>>>> >> > face" when their alliance was terminated after World War One.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > We have not discussed what is implied in "the reverse" of his
>>>>> >> > ideas,
>>>> as
>>>>> >> > the
>>>>> >> > Japanese applied them during the pre-WWII years. Any comments on
>>>> that?
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Do you suppose "the reverse" of Douglas's ideas on national
>>>>> >> > credit
>>>> also
>>>>> >> > implies the "the reverse" of his philosophy regarding the
>>>> relationship
>>>>> >> > between the State and the individual as regards the Japan of
>>>>> >> > that
>>>>> >> > era?
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >> > From: <william_b_ryan@yahoo.com>
>>>>> >> > To: <socialcredit@elistas.com>
>>>>> >> > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 10:24 AM
>>>>> >> > Subject: [socialcredit] question
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> The current issue of "The Social Crediter" contains
>>>>> >> >> this statement from Michael Rowbotham's book, *The
>>>>> >> >> Grip of Death*:
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> "...Douglas was a massive political influence in his
>>>>> >> >> day, and a major figure on the world stage. He not
>>>>> >> >> only had a world-wide following, but gave evidence at
>>>>> >> >> countless official inquiries in Great Britain, Japan,
>>>>> >> >> Canada, New Zealand and Australia."
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Question: What "official inquiries" did Douglas give
>>>>> >> >> evidence to in Japan and Australia?
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >
>>>> ____________________________________________________________________________
>>>>> >> > ________
>>>>> >> >> Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel
>>>>> >> >> today!
>>>>> >> > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> >> >> Some introductory materials to the discussion topic of this list
>>>>> >> >> are
>>>>> >> >> at
>>>>> >> >> http://www.geocities.com/socredus/compendium
>>>>> >> >> You're subscribed to this list with the email
>>>>> >> >> thomsonhiyu@shaw.ca
>>>>> >> >> For more information, visit
>>>>> >> >> http://www.eListas.com/list/socialcredit
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> >> > Some introductory materials to the discussion topic of this list
>>>>> >> > are
>>>> at
>>>>> >> > http://www.geocities.com/socredus/compendium
>>>>> >> > You're subscribed to this list with the email cymric@xtra.co.nz
>>>>> >> > For more information, visit
>>>>> >> > http://www.eListas.com/list/socialcredit
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> >> Some introductory materials to the discussion topic of this list
>>>>> >> are at
>>>>> >> http://www.geocities.com/socredus/compendium
>>>>> >> You're subscribed to this list with the email thomsonhiyu@shaw.ca
>>>>> >> For more information, visit
>>>>> >> http://www.eListas.com/list/socialcredit
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> > Some introductory materials to the discussion topic of this list are
>>>>> > at
>>>>> > http://www.geocities.com/socredus/compendium
>>>>> > You're subscribed to this list with the email cymric@xtra.co.nz
>>>>> > For more information, visit http://www.eListas.com/list/socialcredit
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Some introductory materials to the discussion topic of this list are
>>>>> at
>>>>> http://www.geocities.com/socredus/compendium
>>>>> You're subscribed to this list with the email thomsonhiyu@shaw.ca
>>>>> For more information, visit http://www.eListas.com/list/socialcredit
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Some introductory materials to the discussion topic of this list are at
>>>> http://www.geocities.com/socredus/compendium
>>>> You're subscribed to this list with the email
>>>> hattersleyjm@interbaun.com
>>>> For more information, visit http://www.eListas.com/list/socialcredit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.5/1058 - Release Date:
>>>> 08/10/2007 4:54 PM
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users.
>>> It has removed 18806 spam emails to date.
>>> Paying users do not have this message in their emails.
>>> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Some introductory materials to the discussion topic of this list are at
>>> http://www.geocities.com/socredus/compendium
>>> You're subscribed to this list with the email cymric@xtra.co.nz
>>> For more information, visit http://www.eListas.com/list/socialcredit
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Some introductory materials to the discussion topic of this list are at
>> http://www.geocities.com/socredus/compendium
>> You're subscribed to this list with the email wmcgunn@maxnet.co.nz
>> For more information, visit http://www.eListas.com/list/socialcredit
>>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Some introductory materials to the discussion topic of this list are at
> http://www.geocities.com/socredus/compendium
> You're subscribed to this list with the email cymric@xtra.co.nz
> For more information, visit http://www.eListas.com/list/socialcredit
>
|
Re: [socialcredit]
Reply to this message