|Subject:||Re: [socialcredit] question|
|Date:||Sunday, October 7, 2007 15:18:19 (-0400)|
|From:||Joe Thomson <thomsonhiyu @....ca>
|In reply to:||Message 5044 (written by Peter)|
(Peter wrote:-) "....the Bank of England lent such a huge amount of
credit to Japan that it was kept a secret."
(Joe replies:-) I don't know about the Bank of England's secret lending to
Japan, Peter, but it's plausible. Japan must have needed considerable
international credit to go in the short time that it did from feudal state
to a modern, industrialised country complete with a modern, well-equipped
military, I would think.
There's no question pre-WW I Japan was quite useful to Britain to have as an
ally. The Japanese directly checked Russian military expansionism in the
Far East and northern China by being the victors in the Russo-Japanese War
in 1905. (With considerable covert British assistance.) Indirectly, the
weakening of Russia would have removed a threat from that direction towards
British interests in India and Persia (Iran).
After the outbreak of war in Europe in 1914 the Japanese were able to
wrest control over the 'sphere of influence' that Germany had established in
China. The Germans had a substantial millitary prescence there, including a
powerful fleet of modern warships. Evidence of the importance the Kaiser
attached to what he reportedly stated to be Germany's most important
overseas possession. (Quite likely not so much for what 'goods' China could
provide Germany, but as a substantial peace-time 'captive' outlet for
German manufactured goods.)
This German Pacific Fleet based in China was considered to be a prime menace
to British Columbia, since the British Empire's main ship-repair facilities
in the entire Pacific were then located at Esquimalt, outside Victoria, B.C.
Destruction of the large graving dock there, ( one of the few in the world
that could accomodate a ship the size of the original Queen Elizabeth ~ and
did, during WW II), would have been quite a military accomplishment.
At the outbreak of war in 1914, the Royal Canadian Navy had but one
obsolete cruiser to defend this facility, and the entire BC coast.
Fortunately, for us, the Japanese Imperial Navy quickly sent modern ships to
take up station and defend against what was feared would be an imminent
attack. (Prior to that, to bolster the shamefully inadequate defences, the
BC Government secretly purchased two submarines made for the Chilean Navy
from their US builders. An act completely 'ultra vires' of its
Constitutional powers. 'Constitutions', it would seem, CAN be circumvented
when circumstances warrant it, and there's a clear indication of public
As it turned out, the anticipated attack never came. The German Pacific
fleet divided, with one small group going into the Indian Ocean, where it
wreaked havoc on Allied shipping for quite some time. I believe some of
those German sailors were later captured, and interned as POWs in New
Zealand. Before escaping, I believe, and somehow making it back to
The main German force made for home via Cape Horn. Along the way
annihilating a Royal Navy task force that intercepted it off the coast of
Chile. The Royal Navy later turned the tables off the Falklands, and
removed that menace entirely.
I believe the Japanese also sent destroyers to patrol in the Mediterranean,
where the Austro- Hungarian Empire's Navy posed a enemy submarine threat
for some time.
After the war, Hirohito was an honoured guest of King George V at the Royal
Family's Balmoral estate, an indication of British appreciation for his
country's war effort, and that Japan had achieved a unique status as an
non-white world power. It must have been somewhat of a slap in the face
when their alliance was not renewed by Britain a short time later.
I think it's quite within the realm of possibility, as Douglas indicated in
"The Big Idea", that the influence of 'International' Finance over
post-war British policy had a hand in that.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] question
> Douglas was explaining the conflict between the prestege of character and
> the prestege of money power. Both Japan and Britain were the victims of
> latter at the expense of the former.
> In the early part of the century, I am not sure if it was pre-world war
> or immediately after that the Bank of England lent such a huge amount of
> credit to Japan that it was kept a secret. It would be inevitable that in
> the thirties Japan would have been subject to the banks directions and
> the policy outside their control- doing the opposite to what Douglas would
> This circmstance may have had an influence of Japan's decision to go to
> upon the US ( some neutral policy!) cutting off her oil supplies.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Thomson" <email@example.com>
> To: <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 12:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [socialcredit] question
> > "....but gave evidence at
> > countless official inquiries in Great Britain, Japan,
> > Canada, New Zealand and Australia."
> > (Bill Ryan:-) Question: What "official inquiries" did Douglas give
> > evidence to in Japan and Australia?
> > (Joe replies:-) I think Rowbotham might have phrased that a bit better.
> > The "official enquiries" certainly weren't "countless". At least not if
> > we're using "official enquiries" in terms of Douglas's presentation of
> > evidence under that designation as it applies to the various
> > he
> > appeared before in Ottawa, Alberta, New Zealand, and the MacMillan one
> > we've
> > been discussing most recently. There are four, by my count.
> > In Japan in 1929, following the presentation of his paper at the World
> > Engineering Conference Douglas was attending in Tokyo, I believe it
> > would
> > have been more correct to state that he was interviewed by "officials"
> > that country's Finance Ministry.
> > And, over the period of a week apparently, must have answered many of
> > their "inquiries" as to his ideas.
> > I think this would most likely have been the nature of any "inquiries"
> > received from "officials" during his visit to Australia also. Doubtless
> > there must have been "countless" conversations where various "officials"
> > in
> > various places made their own "inquiries" regarding his ideas in
> > conversation with him over the years.
> > It is interesting to note that Douglas, despite his evidence before the
> > Alberta Agricultural Committee in 1934 where he speaks of the Japanese
> > using
> > "the reverse" of his ideas, still seems to be quite favourably disposed
> > towards the Japanese.
> > This is also touched on in his more 'political' writings in "The Big
> > Idea",
> > where he seems to indicate that Japan, a staunch and effective British
> > ally
> > throughout World War One from start to end, was subjected to a "loss of
> > face" when their alliance was terminated after World War One.
> > We have not discussed what is implied in "the reverse" of his ideas, as
> > the
> > Japanese applied them during the pre-WWII years. Any comments on that?
> > Do you suppose "the reverse" of Douglas's ideas on national credit also
> > implies the "the reverse" of his philosophy regarding the relationship
> > between the State and the individual as regards the Japan of that era?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <email@example.com>
> > To: <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 10:24 AM
> > Subject: [socialcredit] question
> >> The current issue of "The Social Crediter" contains
> >> this statement from Michael Rowbotham's book, *The
> >> Grip of Death*:
> >> "...Douglas was a massive political influence in his
> >> day, and a major figure on the world stage. He not
> >> only had a world-wide following, but gave evidence at
> >> countless official inquiries in Great Britain, Japan,
> >> Canada, New Zealand and Australia."
> >> Question: What "official inquiries" did Douglas give
> >> evidence to in Japan and Australia?
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