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I have seen clains that the B. of E. lent Japan £35 million ab. 1935 to build its fleet. About the time it lent Nazi Germany £50 million.
Unfortunately, the usual Socred lack of documentation of sources prevails.
Regards. John R.
> Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:18:19 -0400
> From: thomsonhiyu@shaw.ca
> To: socialcredit@elistas.com
> Subject: Re: [socialcredit] question
>
> (Peter wrote:-) "....the Bank of England lent such a huge amount of
> credit to Japan that it was kept a secret."
>
> (Joe replies:-) I don't know about the Bank of England's secret lending to
> Japan, Peter, but it's plausible. Japan must have needed considerable
> international credit to go in the short time that it did from feudal state
> to a modern, industrialised country complete with a modern, well-equipped
> military, I would think.
>
> There's no question pre-WW I Japan was quite useful to Britain to have as an
> ally. The Japanese directly checked Russian military expansionism in the
> Far East and northern China by being the victors in the Russo-Japanese War
> in 1905. (With considerable covert British assistance.) Indirectly, the
> weakening of Russia would have removed a threat from that direction towards
> British interests in India and Persia (Iran).
>
> After the outbreak of war in Europe in 1914 the Japanese were able to
> wrest control over the 'sphere of influence' that Germany had established in
> China. The Germans had a substantial millitary prescence there, including a
> powerful fleet of modern warships. Evidence of the importance the Kaiser
> attached to what he reportedly stated to be Germany's most important
> overseas possession. (Quite likely not so much for what 'goods' China could
> provide Germany, but as a substantial peace-time 'captive' outlet for
> German manufactured goods.)
>
> This German Pacific Fleet based in China was considered to be a prime menace
> to British Columbia, since the British Empire's main ship-repair facilities
> in the entire Pacific were then located at Esquimalt, outside Victoria, B.C.
> Destruction of the large graving dock there, ( one of the few in the world
> that could accomodate a ship the size of the original Queen Elizabeth ~ and
> did, during WW II), would have been quite a military accomplishment.
>
> At the outbreak of war in 1914, the Royal Canadian Navy had but one
> obsolete cruiser to defend this facility, and the entire BC coast.
> Fortunately, for us, the Japanese Imperial Navy quickly sent modern ships to
> take up station and defend against what was feared would be an imminent
> attack. (Prior to that, to bolster the shamefully inadequate defences, the
> BC Government secretly purchased two submarines made for the Chilean Navy
> from their US builders. An act completely 'ultra vires' of its
> Constitutional powers. 'Constitutions', it would seem, CAN be circumvented
> when circumstances warrant it, and there's a clear indication of public
> support. )
>
> As it turned out, the anticipated attack never came. The German Pacific
> fleet divided, with one small group going into the Indian Ocean, where it
> wreaked havoc on Allied shipping for quite some time. I believe some of
> those German sailors were later captured, and interned as POWs in New
> Zealand. Before escaping, I believe, and somehow making it back to
> Germany.
>
> The main German force made for home via Cape Horn. Along the way
> annihilating a Royal Navy task force that intercepted it off the coast of
> Chile. The Royal Navy later turned the tables off the Falklands, and
> removed that menace entirely.
>
> I believe the Japanese also sent destroyers to patrol in the Mediterranean,
> where the Austro- Hungarian Empire's Navy posed a enemy submarine threat
> for some time.
>
> After the war, Hirohito was an honoured guest of King George V at the Royal
> Family's Balmoral estate, an indication of British appreciation for his
> country's war effort, and that Japan had achieved a unique status as an
> non-white world power. It must have been somewhat of a slap in the face
> when their alliance was not renewed by Britain a short time later.
>
> I think it's quite within the realm of possibility, as Douglas indicated in
> "The Big Idea", that the influence of 'International' Finance over
> post-war British policy had a hand in that.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter" <cymric@xtra.co.nz>
> To: <socialcredit@elistas.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 3:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [socialcredit] question
>
>
> > Douglas was explaining the conflict between the prestege of character and
> > the prestege of money power. Both Japan and Britain were the victims of
> the
> > latter at the expense of the former.
> > In the early part of the century, I am not sure if it was pre-world war
> one
> > or immediately after that the Bank of England lent such a huge amount of
> > credit to Japan that it was kept a secret. It would be inevitable that in
> > the thirties Japan would have been subject to the banks directions and
> thus
> > the policy outside their control- doing the opposite to what Douglas would
> > advise.
> > This circmstance may have had an influence of Japan's decision to go to
> war
> > upon the US ( some neutral policy!) cutting off her oil supplies.
> > Peter
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe Thomson" <thomsonhiyu@shaw.ca>
> > To: <socialcredit@elistas.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 12:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [socialcredit] question
> >
> >
> > > "....but gave evidence at
> > > countless official inquiries in Great Britain, Japan,
> > > Canada, New Zealand and Australia."
> > >>
> > > (Bill Ryan:-) Question: What "official inquiries" did Douglas give
> > > evidence to in Japan and Australia?
> > >
> > > (Joe replies:-) I think Rowbotham might have phrased that a bit better.
> > >
> > > The "official enquiries" certainly weren't "countless". At least not if
> > > we're using "official enquiries" in terms of Douglas's presentation of
> > > evidence under that designation as it applies to the various
> Committees
> > > he
> > > appeared before in Ottawa, Alberta, New Zealand, and the MacMillan one
> > > we've
> > > been discussing most recently. There are four, by my count.
> > >
> > > In Japan in 1929, following the presentation of his paper at the World
> > > Engineering Conference Douglas was attending in Tokyo, I believe it
> > > would
> > > have been more correct to state that he was interviewed by "officials"
> of
> > > that country's Finance Ministry.
> > >
> > > And, over the period of a week apparently, must have answered many of
> > > their "inquiries" as to his ideas.
> > >
> > > I think this would most likely have been the nature of any "inquiries"
> he
> > > received from "officials" during his visit to Australia also. Doubtless
> > > there must have been "countless" conversations where various "officials"
> > > in
> > > various places made their own "inquiries" regarding his ideas in
> > > conversation with him over the years.
> > >
> > > It is interesting to note that Douglas, despite his evidence before the
> > > Alberta Agricultural Committee in 1934 where he speaks of the Japanese
> > > using
> > > "the reverse" of his ideas, still seems to be quite favourably disposed
> > > towards the Japanese.
> > >
> > > This is also touched on in his more 'political' writings in "The Big
> > > Idea",
> > > where he seems to indicate that Japan, a staunch and effective British
> > > ally
> > > throughout World War One from start to end, was subjected to a "loss of
> > > face" when their alliance was terminated after World War One.
> > >
> > > We have not discussed what is implied in "the reverse" of his ideas, as
> > > the
> > > Japanese applied them during the pre-WWII years. Any comments on that?
> > >
> > > Do you suppose "the reverse" of Douglas's ideas on national credit also
> > > implies the "the reverse" of his philosophy regarding the relationship
> > > between the State and the individual as regards the Japan of that era?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <william_b_ryan@yahoo.com>
> > > To: <socialcredit@elistas.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 10:24 AM
> > > Subject: [socialcredit] question
> > >
> > >
> > >> The current issue of "The Social Crediter" contains
> > >> this statement from Michael Rowbotham's book, *The
> > >> Grip of Death*:
> > >>
> > >> "...Douglas was a massive political influence in his
> > >> day, and a major figure on the world stage. He not
> > >> only had a world-wide following, but gave evidence at
> > >> countless official inquiries in Great Britain, Japan,
> > >> Canada, New Zealand and Australia."
> > >>
> > >> Question: What "official inquiries" did Douglas give
> > >> evidence to in Japan and Australia?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
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