| Subject: | RE: [socialcredit] Re: Request for William B. Ryan | | Date: | Sunday, November 25, 2007 21:37:27 (+0000) | | From: | John G Rawson <johngrawson @.......com>
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| In reply to: | Message 5110 (written by Swieto Radosci) |
Kristof, I will give you one part-answer in relation to the shortage of purchasing power. Some will disagree with me, but they have not yet given me solid reason to change my idea.
Most, possibly all of the shortage of purchasing power vice prices of goods results from some form of reinvestment: savings only paid out once to buy one lot of goods, but charged into a second cycle of goods to recover the investment. Depreciation allowances are a more modern form of the same action, but perhaps carried out earlier in the cycles.
Therefore the tendency towards a gap affects the industrial nations most, not the poorer ones as you suggest. Remedies employed under the present system (willingly or not) are:-
- Continual forced growth that fills the "gap" with newly-created borrowed money.
- "Colonising" weaker nations, either by military or economic force, and making them borrow to buy goods from the industrial nation. The interest charge involved eventually becomes so large that they can also be forced to grow cheap cash crops for the others to pay it, with ensuing forther borrowing etc. In short, it is a means by which the debt increase needed to keep the system going can be partly "farmed off" to weaker nations, who become further impoverished in the process.
- Borrowing for manufacture of armaments that do not come onto the consumer market. Of course, sometimes a war is needed to justify their manufacture. I will not cite preaent examples. But lok at the history of the last Century. At no time did the world have reasonable prosperity except in times of war, preparation for it, or recovery from it. Fior example, roughly 40% of the British people were "on the bread line" in the early 1930's. Although variety was limited, they actually ate beter during the war! See also where the Bank of England (then a privat organisation) lent Hitler £50 million and the Japanese £35 million shortly before the war, so that British goods, including war supplies, could be sold to them.
Regards.
John R.
From: radosc@radosc.x.pl
To: socialcredit@elistas.com
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:41:47 +0100
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Re: Request for William B. Ryan
Probably you don't know the context of my request.
I was asked by W.B Ryan to post my private letter to him to socialcredit group because he had been intended to answer to it to a broader audience. Ok. I signed to this group and sent my question for the second time. And got no satisfactory answer.
Now, if I ask somebody about their opinion it doesn't mean I ask for the list of their lectures. Understanding is simple and may be expressed in a few words, if exists, hence usefullness of discussion groups where such exchanges are possible. If this is not true in this group, than sorry for disturbing you.
Kristof Levandovski
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Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Re: Request for William B. Ryan
Kristof's explanation of his question suggests to me that he would find a couple of new books very helpful:
Naomi Klein, "The Shock Doctrine" (Knopf Canada)
Gregory Clark, "A Farewell to Alms" (Princeton U. Press)
Both have been reviewed in significant journals, notably the New York Times.
Swieto Radosci <radosc@radosc.x.pl> wrote:
From: :
> I think I said, Kristof, that I do not call myself a
> social crediter, but do admit to being profoundly
> influenced by the writings of . I do not
> admit to agreeing with every word that he wrote, but
> admit to not understanding much of it. One of the
> purposes of this list is to help us gain an
> understanding of what he really wrote and said.
The undrerstanding of what C. H. Douglas wrote or said is not of my
particular concern. More what today reformists do with his inspirations and
inuitions.
I agree with Douglas's general idea of the deficit of purchasing power in
the growing areas of the globe. I calculated that deficit on real numbers
taken from Polish corporation where I served as CEO and for sure Douglas was
right showing us this problem comparable to the unefficiency of heart-pump
in human body. Purchasing power leaks out of producing communities and
producers are forced to extend specialization and import-export practicies.
If they don't, they alternatively hang on growing debt.
Now we have world-blood deficit in many places and plentitude of it in
others - a zero balance situation from the double accounting point of view,
but close to heart breake from the social one. I personally attribute that
deficit of purchasing power to logistic (energetic) and educational
(informatic, including money as information) problems of our civilization.
In my opinion local money could serve better than "retail discount programs"
proposed by Douglas - as local by-passes on global defficiency in money
distribution.
National dividend is ok but it strongly affects the way national budget is
created, so it is not easy to implement from grassroots.
But, William, I asked you about your personal opinion on Douglas proposals
in present socio-legal environment and you answered by a joke... Please
answer seriously.
Kristof Levandovski
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