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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] Food For Thought
Date:Thursday, March 27, 2008  10:44:39 (+1300)
From:William Hugh McGunnigle <wmcgunn @.........nz>

Hi Joe
         Long time no see. Good to hear from you. I fear you are very right. In spite of strenuous efforts by our creative accountants in Treasury to conceal the facts, we (Social Creditors in NZ) have calculated that between 30% and 40% of our total tax take is being spent on debt-servicing to the IMF, World Bank and our own Private banks. It is obvious at that sort of rate taxation can only increase to meet the multiple demands placed on government services unless those services are drastically reduced. I presume that similar debt servicing rates are prevalent throughout the western world, and they are certainly crippling 3rd world countries. I cringe to think how much debt servicing is costing the USA. It must be astronomical possibly the highest of all developed countries. It is only the need for US dollars to buy oil that is maintaining the US dollar at its present high exchange rate. If that monopoly is lost it would be catastrophic for the US economy and would seriously damage world trade because all the deficit debts incurred over the last 50 years will comehome to roost, not a happy scenario.
    It appears taxation and debt size go hand in hand. High debts = High taxation, A vicious treadmill from which there appears to be little chance of escape, hence increasing income tax.
   regards
             Bill Mc G
        
I'm afraid that "temporary disease" (income tax) will be around for a lot longer than you and I will, Bill. 
 
I think part of the problem was mentioned by Douglas in one of his shorter pieces, "Dictatorship By Taxation",  where he quoted Lord Stamp, (a director of the Bank of England at the time), about how a people could be conditioned to "like" taxation. 
 
In that speech he said,   "... not only will you have to pay the taxes that you now have to pay, but, as Sir Josiah Stamp, one of the Directors of the Bank of England, suggested a short time ago, with that engaging candour which we are beginning to expect from the Bank of England,
"While a few years ago no one would have believed it possible that a scale of taxation such as that at present existing could be imposed upon the British public without revolution, I have every hope that with skillful education and propaganda this scale can be very considerably raised."
 
In regards to US politics, and their upcoming Presidential election, it seems to me that the Democratic Party's candidates are already engaging  in some of that "skillful education and propaganda".   And shortly after their expected success in the election,  US citizens might see a scale of income tax "very considerably raised". 
 
 Some of them,  anyways.   As  once again  we  enter a new phase of the same old, "...we'll rob Peter to pay Paul" policy that's only ever ended up making, and keeping,  both poorer wherever it's been tried.
 
Regards,
Joe
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Food For Thought

Hi Joe
          Absolutely brilliant comments about taxation. Here is a snippet about Income Tax
   First introduced 1792 by William Pitt the Younger PM of Britain as a TEMPORARY tax to provide funds to fight against the French during the French Revolutionary Wars. 215 years seems a fairly long "temporary time" to me. Instead it proliferated to infect the rest of the world. I wonder if we will ever cure ourselves of this "temporary" disease.
  regards
           Bill Mc G
  
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 3:34 AM
Subject: [socialcredit] Food For Thought

The following was forwarded me from a Quebec friend of mine currently enjoying the Florida sunshine.  Thought it might be of interest.~ Joe
 
 Subject: FOOD FOR THOUGHT
 
This is too true to be very funny
 
The next time you hear a politician use the word 'billion' in a casual
 manner, think about whether you want the 'politicians' spending YOUR tax
 money.
 A billion is a difficult number to comprehend, but one advertising
 agency did a good job of putting that figure into some perspective in
 one of its releases.
 
 
A. A billion seconds ago it was 1959.
 
B. A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive.
 
C. A billion hours ago our ancestors were
 living in the Stone Age.
 
D. A billion days ago no-one walked on the earth on two feet.
 
E. A billion dollars ago was only 8 hours and 20 minutes, at the rate our government is spending it.
 
While this thought is still fresh in our brain, let's take a look at New
 Orleans It's amazing what you can learn with some simple division
 
Louisiana Senator, Mary Landrieu (D), is presently asking the Congress
 for $250 BILLION to rebuild New Orleans . Interesting number, what does
 it mean?
 
A. Well, if you are one of 484,674 residents of
 New Orleans (every man, woman, child), you each get $516,528.
 
B. Or, if you have one of the 188,251 homes in
 New Orleans , your home gets $1,329,787.
 
C. Or, if you are a family of four, your family gets $2,066,012.
 
Washington , D.C . HELLO!!! ... Are all your calculator s broken??
 Tax his land,
 Tax his wage,
 Tax his bed in which he lays.
 Tax his tractor,
 Tax his mule,
 Teach him taxes is the rule.
 Tax his cow,
 Tax his goat,
 Tax his pants,
 Tax his coat.
 Tax his ties,
 Tax his shirts,
 Tax his work,
 Tax his dirt.
 Tax his tobacco,
 Tax his drink,
 Tax him if he tries to think.
 Tax his booze,
 Tax his beers,
 If he cries,
 Tax his tears.
 Tax his bills,
 Tax his gas,
 Tax his notes,
 Tax his cash.
 Tax him good and let him know
 That after taxes, he has no dough.
 If he hollers,
 Tax him more,
 Tax him until he's good and sore.
 Tax his coffin,
 Tax his grave,
 Tax the sod in which he lays.
 Put these words upon his tomb,
 'Taxes drove me to my doom!'
 And when he's gone,
 We won't re lax,
 We'll still be after the inheritance TAX!!
 Accounts Receivable Tax
 Building Permit Tax
 CDL License Tax
 Cigarette Tax
 Corporate Income Tax
 Dog License Tax
 Federal Income Tax
 Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
 Fishing License Tax
 Food License Tax
 Fuel Perm it Tax
 Gasoline Tax
 Hunting License Tax
 Inheritance Tax
 Inventory Tax
 IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax), IRS Penalties (tax on top of
 tax), Liquor Tax, Luxury Tax, Marriage License Tax, Medicare Tax,
 Property Tax, Real Estate Tax, Service charge taxes, Social Security
 Tax, Road Usage Tax (Truckers), Sales Taxes, Recreational Vehicle Tax,
 School Tax, State Income Tax, State Unemployment Tax (SUTA), Telephone
 Federal Excise Tax, Telephone Federal Universal Service Fe e Tax,
 Telephone Federal, State and Local Su rcharge Tax, Telephone Minimum
 Usage Su rcharge Tax, Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax,
 Telephone State and Local Tax, Telephone Usage Charge Tax, Utility Tax,
 Vehicle License Registration Tax, Vehicle Sales Tax, Watercraft
 Registration Tax, Well Permit Tax, Workers Compensation Tax.
 
STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?
 Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the
 most prosperous in the world.
 We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the
 world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.
 
What happened? Can you spell 'politicians!'
 
And I still have to 'press
 1' for English.
 
I hope this goes around THE
 USA at least 100 times 
 
What the heck happened?????

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