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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] Re: Replying to Radu
Date:Sunday, February 13, 2005  15:09:28 (+1000)
From:socred <socred @.......au>
In reply to:Message 544 (written by Timothy Carpenter)

Re: [socialcredit] Re: Replying to Radu
Social Credit is not about explaining human nature or attempting to change human nature. "Que cera, cera". I am at a loss to understand why dicussions of this calibre are occurring.
 
If the implementation and application of Social Credit principles does have any effect on peoples' behaviour it will be an effect and not an objective. All I can say is that properly instituted it would be for the good unless one wishes to argue that the elimination of a debt money system as currently exists is a bad thing.
 
We are talking about a correction of the financial accounting system to reflect the truth and reality and what people HAVE to do now. What people will do in the future under the current system or a Social Credit system is like arguing about the winning numbers in the next lottery and what people will do with their winnings.
Vic Bridger
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Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Re: Replying to Radu

Joe appears to say there is another answer (and that is?) and Bill has a vague hope of less incentive to chisel.

Yet to get a proper answer. What will people do? Unless we know this we do not know the effect of SC liquidity on human behaviour.

Tim

On 10/2/05 4:19 pm, "Joe Thomson" <thomsonhiyu@shaw.ca> wrote:


(Tim wrote:-)  Are you saying that even in a recession the firewood sells better? I would also think if you stock premium materials that these lines hold up better than many lesser products. Well, it depends on your catchment area mentality I suppose. It might also explain why some people suffer more in recessions and it is partly their own spending mentality that is to blame and not just evil captialists.
(Joe replies:-)  The lower, cheaper grades of lumber consistantly sell faster than the higher grades, Tim.  'Recession' or not.  The customers may like to have the 'best', may even know that there's a greater 'economy' in the long run in buying better products, but a lot of their decision all comes down to the amount of ''effective demand'' they have available at the time of purchase.  Many building supply outlets here will not even stock the 'upper grade', more pricey products, simply because they know it takes too long to turn this stock over.  There is an old saying in our business, "If you want to survive, fall in love with the 'margin', not the 'lumber'."  And there is no 'margin' til the sale is made.  It does little good to manufacture and have on hand beautiful, but 'expensive' (price-wise) red cedar siding if five customers come in looking for it and four tell you the price is too high, and walk out, and only one actually buys.  All that means is that it takes four times as long to liquidate the costs of making and handling that stock.  And so it doesn't pay to make it.  Instead siding is made out of some 'cheaper', but 'inferior' species, say, hemlock.  Which won't stand up, and from a 'proper' perspective of 'genuine' long-term 'economy' is really a poor buy.  Yet the other four will buy that, because it's cheaper, and that's all they believe they can afford.  (and considering the rise in personal 'debt-levels' vs. 'incomes' nowadays, they're probably right!)  I believe there are parallels to this in every industry, with virtually every product.  There may be many things that are its 'cause', but one of the ones that certainly looms largest is what Douglas revealed in his analysis of the reasons for insufficient 'effective demand'.


(Tim continues:-) How do you see their spending altered by social credit? Do you see them continuing to spend on splintery planks, spending EVEN MORE on splintery planks or buying better?

(Joe replies:-)  I think there would be a truer indication given of what the customers really want.  
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