| Subject: | Re: [socialcredit] Social Credit and Anti-Semitism | | Date: | Wednesday, June 11, 2008 20:10:33 (-0700) | | From: | Joe Thomson <thomsonhiyu @....ca>
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| In reply to: | Message 5380 (written by william_b_ryan) |
(Bill Ryan wrote:-) "I would like to see the article further expanded by
discussing conspiracy theory in general as it relates to Social Credit,
particularly how it derives from nineteenth century anti-banker Greenbacker
propaganda."
I think that's a very good suggestion, Bill, since it seems a lot of that
'propaganda' is still being put out as if it were "matters of fact."
Have you seen the website for a recent book on US 'monetary reform' written
by a California attorney, Ellen Hodgson Brown, and titled "Web of Debt"?
It's at www.webofdebt.com .
There are a few chapters reproduced there, as well as a discussion group,
and other offerings. Ms. Brown seems to draw very heavily on such material,
probably without being aware of its background.
Joe
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From: <william_b_ryan@yahoo.com>
To: <socialcredit@elistas.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:45 PM
Subject: [socialcredit] Social Credit and Anti-Semitism
> This is a recent revision to the excellent article
> that we discussed earlier, which now includes the
> discussion of Social Credit and anti-semitism appended
> below. I would like to see it expanded somewhat, with
> something about Ezra Pound, who was closely allied to
> Italian fascism, to the extent of broadcasting
> anti-semitic rants during the Second World War from
> Rome radio, which caused him to be charged with
> treason after the war. The criminal charges were
> dropped and ultimately he was committed to a mental
> institution. I would like to see the article further
> expanded by discussing conspiracy theory in general as
> it relates to Social Credit, particularly how it
> derives from nineteenth century anti-banker
> Greenbacker propaganda.
>
> One small correction to the text: Janine Stingel's
> book is titled "Social Discredit..." not "Social
> Credit..."
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Social_Credit/Sandbox
>
> David Kendall
>
> Social Credit and Anti-Semitism
>
> Social Crediters, and Douglas himself, have been
> criticized for spreading anti-semitism. While it is
> true that Douglas was critical of international Jewry,
> especially in his later writings, his criticisms were
> based upon Jewish philosophy, not Jews as a race. His
> criticisms were based upon philosophical differences
> between Christian doctrines of incarnation and
> salvation through grace, and Judeo doctrines of
> legalism and salvation through works: "It is not too
> much to say that one of the root ideas through which
> Christianity comes into conflict with the conceptions
> of the Old Testament and the ideals of the
> pre-Christians era, is in respect of this dethronement
> of abstractionism."[43]
>
> Social Credit is generally opposed to abstractionist
> philosophies, as Douglas believed these philosophies
> inevitably led to the elevation of abstractions, such
> as state over individuals. He also believed that
> Jewish abstractionist thought tended to lead them to
> communist ideals and the emphasis of the group over
> the individual. "Anti-Semitism of the Douglas kind, if
> it can be called anti-Semitism at all, may be
> fantastic, may be dangerous even, in that it may be
> twisted into a dreadful form, but it is not itself
> vicious nor evil."[44]
>
> In her book, *Social Credit: Anti-Semitism, Social
> Credit and the Jewish Response*, Janine Stingel
> claims, "Douglas's economic and political doctrines
> were wholly dependent on an anti-Semitic conspiracy
> theory". [citation needed] If Douglas's A+B theorem
> was based upon "anti-semitic conspiracy theory", this
> claim might be valid. But the A+B theorem is based
> upon an analysis of prices and incomes and their
> relation to cost accounting. While some of Douglas's
> statements about Jews, especially in relation to the
> spurious document known as "The Protocols of the
> Learned Elders of Zion" have caused numerous attacks
> on the entire movement, claims that his works wholly
> based upon anti-semitic conspiracy theory is entirely
> false. "It must also be noted that while Douglas was
> critical of some aspects of Jewish thought, Douglas
> did not seek to discriminate against Jews as people.
> It was never suggested that the National Dividend be
> withheld from them.[44]
>
>
>
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