| Subject: | Re: [socialcredit] Social Credit and Anti-Semitism | | Date: | Friday, June 13, 2008 15:00:44 (+0000) | | From: | KEITH WILDE <keithwilde @.........ca>
|
| In reply to: | Message 5382 (written by Joe Thomson) |
I'm confused, by Bill's original posting and by the responses by Martin and
Joe. If I had been paying closer attention over past months, I might not
be. However, what part of the original was written by you, Bill? And who
is David Kendall? Did he write the wikipedia article, or were you posting
his comment about wanting the expansion to conspiracy theory? Was it on
this elistas site that there was a previous discussion of the wikipedia
article?
I'm off to look at the money reform site mentioned by Joe.
Keith
>From: Joe Thomson <thomsonhiyu@shaw.ca>
>Reply-To: socialcredit@elistas.com
>To: socialcredit@elistas.com
>Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Social Credit and Anti-Semitism
>Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:10:33 -0700
>
> (Bill Ryan wrote:-) "I would like to see the article further expanded by
>discussing conspiracy theory in general as it relates to Social Credit,
>particularly how it derives from nineteenth century anti-banker
>Greenbacker
>propaganda."
>
>I think that's a very good suggestion, Bill, since it seems a lot of that
>'propaganda' is still being put out as if it were "matters of fact."
>
>Have you seen the website for a recent book on US 'monetary reform' written
>by a California attorney, Ellen Hodgson Brown, and titled "Web of Debt"?
>It's at www.webofdebt.com .
>
> There are a few chapters reproduced there, as well as a discussion group,
>and other offerings. Ms. Brown seems to draw very heavily on such
>material,
>probably without being aware of its background.
>
>Joe
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <william_b_ryan@yahoo.com>
>To: <socialcredit@elistas.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:45 PM
>Subject: [socialcredit] Social Credit and Anti-Semitism
>
>
> > This is a recent revision to the excellent article
> > that we discussed earlier, which now includes the
> > discussion of Social Credit and anti-semitism appended
> > below. I would like to see it expanded somewhat, with
> > something about Ezra Pound, who was closely allied to
> > Italian fascism, to the extent of broadcasting
> > anti-semitic rants during the Second World War from
> > Rome radio, which caused him to be charged with
> > treason after the war. The criminal charges were
> > dropped and ultimately he was committed to a mental
> > institution. I would like to see the article further
> > expanded by discussing conspiracy theory in general as
> > it relates to Social Credit, particularly how it
> > derives from nineteenth century anti-banker
> > Greenbacker propaganda.
> >
> > One small correction to the text: Janine Stingel's
> > book is titled "Social Discredit..." not "Social
> > Credit..."
> >
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Social_Credit/Sandbox
> >
> > David Kendall
> >
> > Social Credit and Anti-Semitism
> >
> > Social Crediters, and Douglas himself, have been
> > criticized for spreading anti-semitism. While it is
> > true that Douglas was critical of international Jewry,
> > especially in his later writings, his criticisms were
> > based upon Jewish philosophy, not Jews as a race. His
> > criticisms were based upon philosophical differences
> > between Christian doctrines of incarnation and
> > salvation through grace, and Judeo doctrines of
> > legalism and salvation through works: "It is not too
> > much to say that one of the root ideas through which
> > Christianity comes into conflict with the conceptions
> > of the Old Testament and the ideals of the
> > pre-Christians era, is in respect of this dethronement
> > of abstractionism."[43]
> >
> > Social Credit is generally opposed to abstractionist
> > philosophies, as Douglas believed these philosophies
> > inevitably led to the elevation of abstractions, such
> > as state over individuals. He also believed that
> > Jewish abstractionist thought tended to lead them to
> > communist ideals and the emphasis of the group over
> > the individual. "Anti-Semitism of the Douglas kind, if
> > it can be called anti-Semitism at all, may be
> > fantastic, may be dangerous even, in that it may be
> > twisted into a dreadful form, but it is not itself
> > vicious nor evil."[44]
> >
> > In her book, *Social Credit: Anti-Semitism, Social
> > Credit and the Jewish Response*, Janine Stingel
> > claims, "Douglas's economic and political doctrines
> > were wholly dependent on an anti-Semitic conspiracy
> > theory". [citation needed] If Douglas's A+B theorem
> > was based upon "anti-semitic conspiracy theory", this
> > claim might be valid. But the A+B theorem is based
> > upon an analysis of prices and incomes and their
> > relation to cost accounting. While some of Douglas's
> > statements about Jews, especially in relation to the
> > spurious document known as "The Protocols of the
> > Learned Elders of Zion" have caused numerous attacks
> > on the entire movement, claims that his works wholly
> > based upon anti-semitic conspiracy theory is entirely
> > false. "It must also be noted that while Douglas was
> > critical of some aspects of Jewish thought, Douglas
> > did not seek to discriminate against Jews as people.
> > It was never suggested that the National Dividend be
> > withheld from them.[44]
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Some introductory materials to the discussion topic of this list are at
> > http://www.geocities.com/socredus/compendium
> > You're subscribed to this list with the email thomsonhiyu@shaw.ca
> > For more information, visit http://www.eListas.com/list/socialcredit
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>Some introductory materials to the discussion topic of this list are at
>http://www.geocities.com/socredus/compendium
>You're subscribed to this list with the email keithwilde@sympatico.ca
>For more information, visit http://www.eListas.com/list/socialcredit
|
Re: [socialcredit]
Reply to this message