|Subject:||Re: [socialcredit] A Democratic Socioeconomic Platform|
|Date:||Saturday, July 5, 2008 22:56:07 (EDT)|
|From:||GeorgeCSDS <GeorgeCSDS @...com>
In a message dated 7/5/08 4:42:09 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org writes:
George, you would be much more convincing if you gave a brief outline of your ideas without expecting us to delve deeply into your website first.
Just to be contentious, I will give you a thought that is all-pervading with many of us. No matter how good your ideas, few if any of them will be achievable without first reforming the all-controlling and outdated present financual system.
But thanks. I will certainly search your sites when time permits. I do hope they include the Swiss system of binding citizen-initiated referenda.
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 13:25:53 -0400
Subject: [socialcredit] A Democratic Socioeconomic Platform
It is good that you folks resurrected the discussion of Social Credit. I have now learned even more about that Engineer's ideas, and their relationship to other ideas of equal or lesser value.
Nevertheless.... I am assuming that no one here thinks anyone's ideas are the be-all and end-all of anything, most certainly not in the realm of psychopoliticosocioeconomics. Most certainly not this writer. I offer the following for your thoughtful consideration, keeping in mind that all that needless suffering out there really hurts.
The purpose of this communication is to present to you the following Democratic Socioeconomic Platform.>>>>>>>>>>
Rawson, and other hopefully interested readers,
Much thanks for your suggestion. And certainly a little contentious tickling, at the beginning of most any social endeavor, frequently can facilitate a rapid coverage of a lot of ground. Your mild and respectful contentious comments are acknowledged and appreciated. My earlier post was intended to minimize the length of the introduction to Socioeconomic Democracy, so as to allow only those so interested to follow their interest.
Now torn in two opposite directions, let me briefly add the following to our introduction of SeD and the DSeP. The material that follows is directly and succinctly taken from DSeP 1.
From the third subsection of DSeP 1, entitled Democratic Socioeconomic Platforms, (as well as other writings for the last 40 odd years), and viewable at
is the definition of Socioeconomic Democracy (SeD):
"Socioeconomic Democracy (SeD) is a theoretical and practical socioeconomic system wherein there exist both some form and amount of Universally Guaranteed Personal Income (UGI) and some form and amount of Maximum Allowable Personal Wealth (MAW), with both the lower bound on personal material poverty and the upper bound on personal material wealth set and adjusted democratically by all participants of a democratic society."
Earlier, in the second subsection of the DSeP 1, called Political Platforms, it is absolutely acknowledged that:
"A further gift/property of Socioeconomic Democracy is that it will immensely increase facilitation of the realization of many of the other fundamental changes that are necessary and must and will be made by and for human survival, sustainability, grateful satisfaction and spiritual/humanistic development.
"At least for example, "debt-creating" created money has got to go, for all the now-obvious and incontestable reasons, and Socioeconomic Democracy -- aided and abetted by the now-undeniable multidimensional global economic crises -- will get far more people to start seriously thinking about the who, what, where, when, why and how of Money, which is but a logical hop, skip and jump from successful democratic monetary reform."
As for your view that "few if any of them [other suggestions to improve the world's morally and intellectually near bankrupt economic systems] will be achievable without first reforming the all-controlling and outdated present financual system," I dare say that SeD would help you guys (and gals, I hope, I hope, I hope) realize your best thoughts -- sooner. Ain't no "either/or" here; it's "both/and" and ASAP. That is, both the definition of money/wealth and the distribution of money/wealth are crucial.
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