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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] Finance: Credit "Crisis" and "Depression"
Date:Saturday, November 29, 2008  08:20:17 (-0800)
From:Joe Thomson <thomsonhiyu @....ca>
In reply to:Message 5728 (written by Graeme Taylor)

Hi Graeme,
 
I think the key to what you're saying is contained in your one sentence:-   "It is interesting that Marx never studied "money", and maybe just took it as a"given". "
 
As I understand the matter, Marx never realized the difference between simple 'cash' accounting,  and the conventions of double-entry 'accrual' accounting.  Where 'cash' is just one facet of an overall 'creditary' system. 
 
And 'profit', rather than being some inherent evil that 'steals' value from the worker, is (or certainly would be, if we had the proper  "social credit" macro-economic accounting corrections in place), merely the mechanism that indicates the correctness of some line of entrepreneurial action in supplying what's needed and desired in the way of actual goods and services.
 
While the call of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" certainly does have an appeal to it, we'd be far more likely to see that mainifest itself in reality with Social Credit than we ever would with Marxism.  
 
Regards,
Joe 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Finance: Credit "Crisis" and "Depression"

Hi Joe, John 'n all
 
I wish to clarify some political philosophy terms.
 
My understanding of Marx (and I agree he didn't analyse the monetary architecture) is his hypothesis, to wit
 
When capital and labour and organised, so as to create a profit, there is an imbalance because the profit all goes to one side, the owners of the capital, whereas he felt that after wages and costs had been paid out, the profit should then go 50/50. Half to capital, half to labour.
 
 
Because of this percieved bias he saw in industrial organisation, Karl postulated that this would lead to ever increasing wealth to the owners, and impoverishment to labour. He studied early industrialisation in Britain, and saw the parallels to the lord/serf dichotomy.
 
Karl also postulated that such industrialisation would lead to an inevitable revolution by the 'ripped off' workers, who would seize the means of production from the owners, in a peoples' revolution(socialism).
 
Then says Karl, the state dissolves into localised communities, where, from each according to their ability, to each according to their need, manifests(communism).
 
He gave no timeframe, just a dialectical analysis from his observations of the arrangements of early industrialisation.
That some countries have tried to impose state socialism onto feudal agrarian populations is not Karl's fault, imo.
Industrialised countries introduced pension funds, to ostensibly offer some profits back to workers, post their working life.
It is interesting that Marx never studied "money", and maybe just took it as a"given". I'm open to stand corrected on that.
 
As Ghandi said when asked about Modern Western Democracies, "I'd like to see one".
I'm like that about socialism and socialist parties, sometime henceforth, one may occur.
 
 
cheers
Graeme Taylor
 
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