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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] Re: Re: in continuing reply to Jim Schroeder
Date:Tuesday, March 8, 2005  08:20:54 (-0800)
From:Joe Thomson <thomsonhiyu @....ca>
In reply to:Message 621 (written by Trevor Crosbie)

Hello Trevor, and welcome to the Elistas group,
 
When you write:-
 
"The application of the principle of creating debt could and should be used to create the medium needed as debt free funding streams for the provision of essential infrastructure, which has been pre-designated as public good by the public.
 
 I have to ask, what would be the effect on 'consumer prices' when you introduce 'debt-free money' this way? 
 
 The reason for my question is that, in a sense, we had a situation in British Columbia many years ago where there was a considerable amount of 'debt-free' money introduced to fund infrastructure.  The US government paid BC a great deal of money to construct a series of dams and power generation facilities on the Columbia River's upper reaches. 
 
That river rises in south-eastern BC, flows northward, then loops to the south again, and finally enters the US on its way to the Pacific.  The US had a series of dams, power stations, and navigation locks along its length in their territory, but needed 'flood control' on the BC side to get full benefit from them.  At the time, we didn't  need all the power the BC dams would generate, so we traded some of it to the States for thirty years to offset their paying for the dams, which we eventually, (in the '90's),  got all the generating benefits back from completely 'free'.  It was a brilliantly conceived deal by BC's first 'Social Credit' Party government. 
 
Except for one little fact.  Out of it, we got an 'inflation'.  One which eventually ended that government's 20 year tenure in office.  Initially it came disguised as 'prosperity'.  There was great activity, and anyone wanting a 'job' could have one.  But shortly thereafter 'prices' began to outpace 'incomes', and the distance between the two continually broadened.  So it leads me to wonder whether financing 'infrastructure' this way will be the great panacea many people seem to believe.  Personally, I think a closer following of Douglas's original ideas in regards to 'consumer' dividends, paid to 'individuals' through the 'Compensated Price Discount' and 'National Dividend', would be a better approach. Even if both would likely be a harder sell 'politically'.  I don't much care for the way we currently finance and have to pay interest on public borrowings for infrastructure either.  There are no doubt better ways to do it.  But I think I'd want to take a very close look at the alternatives using 'debt-free money' the way you propose.  It may end up costing you a great deal more than the 'interest' you think you're saving. 
 
Best wishes,
 
Joe Thomson.
 

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