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Thank you for the clarification of your statement
Larry. I know that editors can manipulate anything to project whatever
their intention is to begin with.
History is a difficult subject, because it's
impossible to know exactly what is the truth, especially in relation to
intentions.
I honestly believe that Aberhart intended to bring
Social Credit to Alberta. I'm not so sure about his successor. The
saddest statement is at the end of the program when they say that Aberhart did
not want to be buried in Alberta because of the way some of the people in the
province treated him.
I think there's a very good lesson there, and I
believe that if anyone thinks that the "financial powers that be" are going to
allow the implementation of Social Credit without a serious fight, I think they
are deluding themselves.
From what I've read of Aberhart's testimony before
the Alberta Agricultural Commision, I'm fairly convinced that Aberhart did not
have a firm grasp of the theory, and that is unfortunate, because it was used
against him. From what Wally has stated, he seems to think that he did
develop a better understanding of Social Credit with the progression of
time. However, there can be no questioning the man's courage, and he
should not be dismissed by advocates of Social Credit. That time in
Alberta was the closest thing we've had to actual Social Credit, and if it
wasn't for the intervention of the federal government, it might have come to
fruition.
Take care,
Jim Schroeder
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 8:51
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Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Aberhart
documentary on CPAC
The amount of material in the doc gets
better when you hear it more times, and even better when you just listen to
the soundtrack without some of the negative visuals. Of Course David
Elliot ( author of the critical Bible Bill in 1984 )is the official critic of
Aberhart and bitterly pans everything about Social Credit monetary theory
without explaining anything about it, nor do I believe has he ever really
understood it. David's parent's were great Aberhart supporters in Calgary and
graduates of the Calgary Prophetic Bible Institute so there is a
background story there. He is also a graduate of the Berean Bible
College - a split off from Prophetic. Needless to say, he became critical
after attending the University of Calgary. Social Credit Theory is given
a little more time in the doc on WAC Bennett when you watch it, but doesn't
help those who don't see the two docs. together.
The question
asked to me from Holly Doan was on the crisis faced by Aberhart when he got
into office, it was not a question on the dividends. The narrator of
course comments on dividends thinking that they were to come by the finance
methods of the day. Of course the edit there is misleading, and I do
understand where the dividends were to be found in the national credit. Some
of the laymen befuddlement on where the money is to come from may be
intentional - but sometime we have to think back to before we find understood
the idea of the people's credit. That "Ah Ha" moment never comes to
those who are unwilling to take the time to study the theory, so they keep
falling back on the common understanding that has been pounded into since the
time they got their first allowances.
Aberhart was
faced with a serious default crisis before he could even get Social Credit
legislation in the House. Robert J. Magor was employed because he had done a
noteworthy job of shoring up the Province of Newfoundland finances under the
current system of the time - not for his input into hindering Social Credit
plans - when Magor had done his best in a temporary patch under the current
system, his contract with Alberta was at an end.
Aberhart was first and foremost, before his evangelism career, an extremely
competent educational administrator and teacher. ( Principal of the
flagship Crescent Heights Collegiate High in Calgary. ) He knew how to
size up other competent administrators, and in Magor's work in Newfoundland -
he knew he had found a temporary solution under the old economics.
A 'French Revolution' is not what was needed in order to advance the cause,
but maintaining enough order to build a platform for fundamental change.
( a little bit of Edmond Burke there perhaps. )
Douglas
himself, from what I had read, believed in transition periods in stages before
Social Credit could be fully implemented. Only the man at the helm in
Alberta, could know the desperate state of what the UFA government had
concealed. If government services and the civil service collapsed
in the first few months under Aberhart, from what foundation could he have
worked to introduce the Social Credit legislation in a methodical way?
Even then, many in the caucus revolted into the insurgent camp before he
could move.
So Magor was an
orthodox bank administrator, employed because he at least was prudent in
lessening the crisis in Newfoundland under the old
system.
If you had a choice today, would you pick
him, or someone like Obama?
Hope that helps on what my perspective is in my
studies so far.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:59
PM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Aberhart
documentary on CPAC
Thank you very much for the link Larry. I was able to watch the video
this evening.
From a biographical view in terms of his life, the program was
interesting.
If anyone watches it expecting to find out anything about Social Credit,
do not waste you time. That is a sad statement of fact, and it's too bad,
because it should have been both, since an important part of Aberhart's life
was Social Credit, and the fight to implement it in the province of
Alberta.
I notice one commentator stated:
"he was the most radical Premier"
and called his economics theories "bizarre"
Larry, I do want to comment on a statement you made in regards to the
dividend and the "treasury being empty" and the inability of Aberhart to
deliver on his plans for a dividend.
A fundamental premise of Social Credit is that whatever is physically
possible is financially possible, not the other way around. Money should
allow the monetization of the assets of the nation, or in this case, the
province. Financial credit should be a representation of the real credit of
the community. If my memory serves me correctly, the reason Douglas resigned
as advisor to Aberhart is that Aberhart sought orthodox counsel for the
provinces' finances.
The following is a letter from Douglas to Aberhart:
DEAR MR. ABERHART,
This seems to be a suitable occasion on which to emphasise the
proposition that a Balanced Budget is quite inconsistent with the use of
Social Credit [i.e., Real Credit--the ability to deliver goods and
services “as, when and where required”] in the modern world, and is simply a
statement in accounting figures that the progress of the country is
stationary, i.e., that it consumes exactly what it produces, including
capital assets The result of the acceptance of this proposition is that all
capital appreciation becomes quite automatically the property of those who
create an issue of money [i.e., the banking system] and the necessary
unbalancing of the Budget is covered by Debts.
C. H. Douglas
London, England
I don't think it's technically correct to say that the dividends could
not be paid because the "treasury was empty", but they could not be paid,
because any attempt to pay them on Social Credit lines would be ruled "ultra
vires" by the Supreme Court of Canada. I don't know if a $25.00 dividend was
feasible, but certainly a dividend would have been feasible.
Take care,
Jim Schroeder
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:50
PM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Aberhart
documentary on CPAC
Jim and other
interested,
The Documentary on Social Credit
Premier of BC , WAC Bennett is at the following link:
Although much
less explicit on Social Credit over the duration of his career, he is
given more positive treatment for his leadership
skills.
They are both 30 mins
each.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:31
PM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit]
Aberhart documentary on CPAC
Good to hear you added those works to the
website Larry.
I didn't watch the show on Aberhart, but it
seems they misrepresented him, and totally ignored the reason he got
into politics in the first place (Douglas). Just goes to
show that the mainstream media is not going to be friendly to our cause,
but the internet is a wonderful tool.
Jim Schroeder
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:45
AM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit]
Aberhart documentary on CPAC
There were a number of surprising
gaps, no mention of Ernest Manning or the stunning victory against the
UFA government. Of course only the official critic of Aberhart, David
Elliot was given the opportunity of ill defining Social Credit by
dissing the blood circulation illustration. But for the first
time, friends of Aberhart were given some airtime, hopefully it will
lead to more opportunities to define the man from people who actually
knew him.
Larry
Heather
PS. I am adding the books
The Meaning of Social Credit by Maurice Colbourne (1935)
and This Age of Plenty by C. Marshall Hattersley onto the
website later in the day.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009
11:56 PM
Subject: [socialcredit]
Aberhart documentary on CPAC
And not a word about Douglas in the
whole thing. Typical. Social Credit portrayed as a form
of 'fascism' that finally had some saving graces for a few
initiatives closer to 'socialist' ideology, and for providing good
government. One favourable comment I hadn't heard
before was that of Lord Tweedsmuir (John Buchan), then
Governor-General of Canada, who seemed to know something about
genuine Social Credit. Perhaps he had had some previous
contact with Douglas in England?
Joe
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