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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] Why Aberhart's are Buried in BC
Date:Wednesday, March 25, 2009  18:27:44 (-0600)
From:Larry Heather <lheather @....ca>
In reply to:Message 6494 (written by Jim)

Dear Jim,
     By his granddaughter's testimony, Patricia Hilton's -  Jessie's supposed statement of not burying William Aberhart in Alberta because of unkind treatment is a media engendered myth, but it keeps getting picked up. 
     Mrs. Aberhart was sick herself in hospital in Vancouver at the time of her husband's death.  Both of her daughter's at the time lived in Vancouver,and she planned on staying there with them after his death.   Because she wanted to be able to visit William Aberhart's grave on a weekly basis she had him buried in Burnaby, a satellite town of Vancouver.  She did not want the put the Alberta Government through unnecessary expense by transporting the body to Edmonton for a state funeral, and then transporting it back to BC.   That is the real reason that is documented by Patricia in my 1 hour radio program - The Last Days of Aberhart.
It is available along with a list of 20 more radio hours on the Aberhart Legacy at my radio website www.gospelroad.ca
      The truth is that thousands of people deeply mourned in Alberta for the death of Aberhart and were crestfallen that he was not buried in his home Province. In the space of 3 days after the day of his death - thousands assembled for the funeral in Vancouver's Canadian Memorial Church, in a province where he had only vacationed and done the occasional speaking tour. (Wed May 26th, 1943)    
    Overflow crowds assembled at two Memorial Services in Edmonton and Calgary that were filled beyond capacity.  The public affection for this man was overwhelming, and it is overt revisionism to portray it any other way.  I have a letter and new articles concerning Aberhart's daughters and wife Jessie - who say they regretted that the bodies had not been brought back later for burial in Calgary.   It really is a huge void in the history of the Province, that may someday be righted. 
      Anyone reading the accounts of Aberhart's Funeral and the multitude of tributes that were brought to him from all sectors of the population, will know instinctively that the comments of Aberhart too unpopular in his own Province to be buried there - are a gross distortion of historic reality.  ( The full newspaper accounts are to be found in pdf format on the Premier's page at
www.aberhartfoundation.ca 
     Someday, this truth will be fully and publically vindicated, and perhaps by God's grace remedied.
Larry Heather     
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Aberhart documentary on CPAC

Thank you for the clarification of your statement Larry.  I know that editors can manipulate anything to project whatever their intention is to begin with.
 
History is a difficult subject, because it's impossible to know exactly what is the truth, especially in relation to intentions.
 
I honestly believe that Aberhart intended to bring Social Credit to Alberta.  I'm not so sure about his successor.  The saddest statement is at the end of the program when they say that Aberhart did not want to be buried in Alberta because of the way some of the people in the province treated him.
 
I think there's a very good lesson there, and I believe that if anyone thinks that the "financial powers that be" are going to allow the implementation of Social Credit without a serious fight, I think they are deluding themselves.
 
From what I've read of Aberhart's testimony before the Alberta Agricultural Commision, I'm fairly convinced that Aberhart did not have a firm grasp of the theory, and that is unfortunate, because it was used against him.  From what Wally has stated, he seems to think that he did develop a better understanding of Social Credit with the progression of time.  However, there can be no questioning the man's courage, and he should not be dismissed by advocates of Social Credit.  That time in Alberta was the closest thing we've had to actual Social Credit, and if it wasn't for the intervention of the federal government, it might have come to fruition.
 
Take care,
 
Jim Schroeder
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Aberhart documentary on CPAC

The amount of material in the doc gets better when you hear it more times, and even better when you just listen to the soundtrack without some of the negative visuals.  Of Course David Elliot ( author of the critical Bible Bill in 1984 )is the official critic of Aberhart and bitterly pans everything about Social Credit monetary theory without explaining anything about it, nor do I believe has he ever really understood it. David's parent's were great Aberhart supporters in Calgary and graduates of the Calgary Prophetic Bible Institute so there is a background story there.  He is also a graduate of the Berean Bible College - a split off from Prophetic. Needless to say, he became critical after attending the University of Calgary.  Social Credit Theory is given a little more time in the doc on WAC Bennett when you watch it, but doesn't help those who don't see the two docs. together.
     The question asked to me from Holly Doan was on the crisis faced by Aberhart when he got into office, it was not a question on the dividends.  The narrator of course comments on dividends thinking that they were to come by the finance methods of the day. Of course the edit there is misleading, and I do understand where the dividends were to be found in the national credit. Some of the laymen befuddlement on where the money is to come from may be intentional - but sometime we have to think back to before we find understood the idea of the people's credit.  That "Ah Ha" moment never comes to those who are unwilling to take the time to study the theory, so they keep falling back on the common understanding that has been pounded into since the time they got their first allowances.
     Aberhart was faced with a serious default crisis before he could even get Social Credit legislation in the House. Robert J. Magor was employed because he had done a noteworthy job of shoring up the Province of Newfoundland finances under the current system of the time - not for his input into hindering Social Credit plans - when Magor had done his best in a temporary patch under the current system, his contract with Alberta was at an end.
     Aberhart was first and foremost, before his evangelism career, an extremely competent educational administrator and teacher.  ( Principal of the flagship Crescent Heights Collegiate High in Calgary. )  He knew how to size up other competent administrators, and in Magor's work in Newfoundland - he knew he had found a temporary solution under the old economics.   A 'French Revolution' is not what was needed in order to advance the cause, but maintaining enough order to build a platform for fundamental change.  ( a little bit of Edmond Burke there perhaps. )
      Douglas himself, from what I had read, believed in transition periods in stages before Social Credit could be fully implemented.  Only the man at the helm in Alberta, could know the desperate state of what the UFA government had concealed.  If government services and the civil service collapsed in the first few months under Aberhart, from what foundation could he have worked to introduce the Social Credit legislation in a methodical way?  Even then,  many in the caucus revolted into the insurgent camp before he could move.
     So Magor was an orthodox bank administrator, employed because he at least was prudent in lessening the crisis in Newfoundland under the old system.
If you had a choice today, would you pick him, or someone like Obama?
Hope that helps on what my perspective is in my studies so far.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Aberhart documentary on CPAC

Thank you very much for the link Larry. I was able to watch the video this evening.

From a biographical view in terms of his life, the program was interesting.

If anyone watches it expecting to find out anything about Social Credit, do not waste you time. That is a sad statement of fact, and it's too bad, because it should have been both, since an important part of Aberhart's life was Social Credit, and the fight to implement it in the province of Alberta.

I notice one commentator stated:

"he was the most radical Premier"

and called his economics theories "bizarre"

Larry, I do want to comment on a statement you made in regards to the dividend and the "treasury being empty" and the inability of Aberhart to deliver on his plans for a dividend.

A fundamental premise of Social Credit is that whatever is physically possible is financially possible, not the other way around. Money should allow the monetization of the assets of the nation, or in this case, the province. Financial credit should be a representation of the real credit of the community. If my memory serves me correctly, the reason Douglas resigned as advisor to Aberhart is that Aberhart sought orthodox counsel for the provinces' finances.

The following is a letter from Douglas to Aberhart:

DEAR MR. ABERHART,

This seems to be a suitable occasion on which to emphasise the proposition that a Balanced Budget is quite inconsistent with the use of Social Credit [i.e., Real Credit--the ability to deliver goods and services “as, when and where required”] in the modern world, and is simply a statement in accounting figures that the progress of the country is stationary, i.e., that it consumes exactly what it produces, including capital assets The result of the acceptance of this proposition is that all capital appreciation becomes quite automatically the property of those who create an issue of money [i.e., the banking system] and the necessary unbalancing of the Budget is covered by Debts.

C. H. Douglas

London, England

I don't think it's technically correct to say that the dividends could not be paid because the "treasury was empty", but they could not be paid, because any attempt to pay them on Social Credit lines would be ruled "ultra vires" by the Supreme Court of Canada. I don't know if a $25.00 dividend was feasible, but certainly a dividend would have been feasible.

 

Take care,

Jim Schroeder
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Aberhart documentary on CPAC

Jim and other interested,
 
The Aberhart Documentary is already available for internet views at the CPAC link below
http://www.cpac.ca/forms/index.asp?dsp=template&act=view3&pagetype=vod&lang=e&clipID=2519
 
The Documentary on Social Credit Premier of BC , WAC Bennett is at the following link:
Although much less explicit on Social Credit over the duration of his career, he is given more positive  treatment for his leadership skills.

They are both 30 mins each.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Aberhart documentary on CPAC

Good to hear you added those works to the website Larry.
 
I didn't watch the show on Aberhart, but it seems they misrepresented him, and totally ignored the reason he got into politics in the first place (Douglas).   Just goes to show that the mainstream media is not going to be friendly to our cause, but the internet is a wonderful tool.
 
 
Jim Schroeder
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Aberhart documentary on CPAC

There were a number of surprising gaps, no mention of Ernest Manning or the stunning victory against the UFA government. Of course only the official critic of Aberhart, David Elliot was given the opportunity of ill defining Social Credit by dissing the blood circulation illustration.  But for the first time, friends of Aberhart were given some airtime, hopefully it will lead to more opportunities to define the man from people who actually knew him.
Larry Heather
PS.  I am adding the books The Meaning of Social Credit by Maurice Colbourne (1935) and This Age of Plenty by C. Marshall Hattersley onto the website later in the day.
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:56 PM
Subject: [socialcredit] Aberhart documentary on CPAC

And not a word about Douglas in the whole thing.  Typical.  Social Credit portrayed as a form of 'fascism' that finally had some saving graces for a few initiatives closer to 'socialist' ideology, and for providing good government.  One favourable comment  I  hadn't heard before was that of  Lord Tweedsmuir  (John Buchan), then Governor-General of Canada, who seemed to know something about genuine Social Credit.  Perhaps he had had some previous contact with Douglas in England?  
 
Joe

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