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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] True belief rather than facts
Date:Monday, April 6, 2009  02:56:41 (-0600)
From:Wallace Klinck <wmklinck @....ca>

I have sent the following off-line message to Ellen Brown accompanied by a number of attached PDF documents with comments and weblinks in response to her enquiry:

"Dear Ellen Brown,

"In your brief message to the Elistas Social Credit Group, to which you have now first posted, you have specifically asked for information about Major C. H. Douglas's "A + B Theorem" which is a formal statement depicting what he described as an inherent and increasing deficiency of consumer purchasing-power in the modern economy characterized by rapid displacement of labour by physical capital --as this relates to the available buying-power in the hands of consumers in each economic production cycle, purchasing-power being income available to permanently cancel the financial production costs incurred within that cycle.  New consumption loans which allow access to production via consumer loans extended by banks do not qualify for the definition of genuine consumer income because they become a debt charge to be recovered from future quite unrelated cycles of production.  The real cost of production (the human and non-human energy and materials) are met as production takes place--and they have been fully met when a consumer good is completed and ready for ultimate acquisition and use.  The financial system should reflect this undeniable fact.  Consumption is the final stage of the economic process and consumers should always have at hand sufficient income (earned plus supplemented) to claim the entire product of industry without any need whatsoever for aggregate consumer debt.  Briefly, one might say that the present financial price or costing system rightly charges the consumer with capital appreciation (at point of sale in retail prices) but quite wrongly does NOT credit the consumer in retail prices with capital appreciation which is always increasing relative to depreciation.  Instead of continuous inflation, we should have a drastically reducing price level wherein the producer is not faced with financial ruin but is able to recover his costs of production, enabling him/her to continue the process of production in service to the community (Provided that the producer's product is desired by the consumer.)  Social Credit seeks to establish genuine economic democracy based upon consumer sovereignty in addition to political democracy.  The latter without the former Douglas sought to demonstrate is a disaster.  The essential reason for you not having encountered Social Credit is because Douglas's works and ideas have been very effectively suppressed for nearly ninety years by the alliance of the financial powers and the media with heavy complicity of academia.  Recently, the marvel of the Internet has "let the cat out of the bag."

"I paste and attach some comments, weblinks and PDF documentation for your interest and examination.

"Sincerely
Wally Klinck"

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On 5-Apr-09, at 10:00 AM, Ellen Brown wrote:

So I'm new to this site.  What's the A + B theorem? 

On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 7:37 AM, Brock Moore <brock_moore@accountant.com> wrote:
Attached is a short audio clip that may be played in Windows Media Player, RealPlayer and similar programs from Ellen Brown's interview dated April 2. Fair use is claimed. The full interview may be found on her website at
http://www.webofdebt.com/media/talkradiop1040209.php
In the clip, Ms. Brown repeats two assertions that have become articles of faith in "right wing" and "monetary reformist" circles, elements of true belief rather than facts. These assertions are that the Federal Reserve is "privately owned" and that when banks lend they create the principal but not the money to pay the interest. This second assertion has been termed the "debt virus" hypothesis, after the book by the same name.

As to the first assertion, I refer you to an essay by G. Thomas Woodward of the Congressional Research Service Library of Congress, which is archived at
http://www.geocities.com/new_economics/woodward-money_and_the_federal_reserve_system.txt

Mr. Woodward states that the Federal Reserve Board is a federal agency. Its Chairman and governors are appointed by the President of the United States subject to confirmation by the United States Senate. Its employees are government employees.

The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks have aspects of being private corporations. But they are not "private" in the ordinary sense of the word. They have "stock" that is held by the member banks as a condition of membership in the Federal Reserve regional bank. The stock may not be sold but must be returned when a bank leaves the system. The stock does not pay a dividend based on the regional bank's profits but conveys a fixed six percent dividend on invested capital, which is determined by the size of each bank. Each regional bank has nine directors. Six of them are elected by the member banks, with each bank getting one vote, regardless of the amount of stock it might hold. Three of the directors are appointed by the Federal Reserve Board. The Chairman and Vice Chairman of each regional bank is appointed by the Federal Reserve Board, which is a government agency.

The second "debt virus" assertion has been addressed previously on this list. Banks in fact not only create money when they extend loans, but also when they spend for any purpose whatsoever. Banks spend for ordinary business expenses and salaries and wages. They also spend when they pay dividends to their stockholders. When they spend they do exactly what they do when they extend loans, they credit transaction accounts throughout the economy. That money becomes available to pay interest back to the banks.

This fallacy deflects attention from the analytically correct explanation for the shortage of purchasing power: the A + B theorem. Worse still, the fallacy suggest a dangerous "solution," the abolition of interest. It is dangerous because to the extent it is implemented, trade and commerce is impeded. The theorem, of course, suggests what are in effect macroeconomic accounting adjustments in the form of the National Dividend and Retail Discount. These adjustments would allow the economy to attain its full productive potential to the extent there is real demand.

Brock Moore


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