| Subject: | Re: [socialcredit] Fwd: RE: [distributism] The Rabbit | | Date: | Thursday, April 21, 2005 16:52:14 (+1000) | | From: | Vic Bridger <socred @.......au>
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| In reply to: | Message 999 (written by Timothy Carpenter) |
1. A Theorem is a statement of fact which is not self-evident, as is an
axiom, but which can be demonstrated to be true.
A theorem does not "reflect" the facts. It is a fact and a fact is the
truth. As such it can be demonstrated to to be true and it is not possible
for it to be incorrect unless it cannot be demonstrated to be true.
Unlike in logic where premises may be correct but the logical formation
can produce incorrect or rubbish conclusions the A+B theorem is correct
because it dan be demonstrated to be true. This cannot be done with a logic
syllogism where the syllogism may be formally valid but not true of the
facts e.g.
All ducks are geese
All swans are ducks
Therfore All swans are geese.
Which is utter rubbish. The same cannot be said about the A+B Theorem.
Your second comment in which you appear perplexed is because you have your
wires crossed.
Vic Bridger
----- Original Message -----
From: "Timothy Carpenter" <timbeau_hk@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <socialcredit@elistas.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Fwd: RE: [distributism] The Rabbit
> Dar Vic,
>
> A theorem can indeed reflect the facts while coming to an incorrect
> conclusion.
>
> Am a little perplexed - you appear to be accusing Bill of 'utter tripe'
for
> even though this snip may not be from Bill verbatim, Bill has proposed in
> the past that there are defects in the accounting system revealed by A+B,
> corrected by dividend and that the situation misleads entrepreneurs. Is
this
> so or was the last post a snip too far?
>
> Tim
>
>
> On 20/4/05 5:53 am, "Vic Bridger" <socred@ecn.net.au> wrote:
>
> > This is a good example of arguing with one who commences with a
different
> > premise. It serves no purpose to discuss the A+B with anyone coming from
an
> > orthodox standpoint. The test of any theorem including the A+B is
whether or
> > not it reflects the facts. That is whether or not the conclusion is
correct.
> > The A+B Theorem can stand on its own irrespective of what measurements
are
> > used. The statement;
> > "Social Credit analysis - based on the A + B theorem
> > in the form of reductio ad absurdum - concludes there
> > is a defect in the system of accounting which
> > entrepreneurs use to measure the effectiveness of
> > their decisions that is not resolvable at the level
> > of the individual firm."
> >
> > is evidence of poor logic and pre-conceived ideas. The reductio ad
absurdum
> > applies to the writer of the statement. It is his opinion not supported
with
> > any evidence. The conclusion referred to is utter tripe and indicates
the
> > paucity in either understanding or lack of reading.
> > Vic Bridger
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William B. Ryan" <w_b_ryan@yahoo.com>
> > To: <socialcredit@elistas.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 8:40 AM
> > Subject: [socialcredit] Fwd: RE: [distributism] The Rabbit
> >
> >
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