To add to Trevor's comments, Douglas was a practical man and obviously
adaptable to circumstances. I don't think it is profaning the almighty to say
that I am sure he would expect his followers to be the same.
Our New Zealand scene is now vastly different from his times. We don't have
optional intrastructure desires, we have, under the present system, compulsory
infrastructure decay relative to needs, for example:
Students forced into debt by their loans, (by hypocrites who got their own
education, if any, free) to the level where they are being driven overseas in
droves after graduation while many remaining who would otherwise would have owned
their own homes will never be able to.
Auckland's motorways gridlocked to the point where it may take two hours or
more to go relatively short distances to work, or to come from the airport into
the City.
Fringes of white crosses along defective sections of highways.
(Newly reacquired) major rail in our East Coast area, where massive forests
have been developed to control erosion, lying idle and rusting while logging
trucks pound the inadequate roads.
People dying on long waiting lists for hospitals, and schools desperately
short of resources.
Overloaded sewage (or just septic tank) systems which are health hazards.
This and other factors posing serious threats to the environment.
And over the whole local structure, inflated rates because citizens are paying
up to four times or more for jobs completed.
And above all is the (disguised as much as possible) indebtedness of
Government. A government in debt can NOT be fully democratic, because it must
take dictation from its creditors. I never saw any writing of Douglas praising
govvernment borrowing.
Further comment would invite endless discussion on detail, so I'll simply say
"Please use brains".
John R.
>From: "Trevor Crosbie" <tamac@xtra.co.nz>
>Reply-To: socialcredit@elistas.com >To: <socialcredit@elistas.com> >Subject:
Re: [socialcredit] Replying to Vic (Deus Ex Machina) >Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005
22:30:05 +1200 > >Oh come on Jessop, the reason Douglas wrote extensively about
>monetary reform was because he clearly saw a debt based system of >providing
purchasing power to enable people to buy the goods and >services others produce
as containing the seeds of its own >destruction. That destruction is manifesting
itself in the current >orgy of production as every nation strives to become a
better >exporter of goods and services than its competitor. That process is
>driven by the need
to service an ever growing level of >international, national, regional, company
and personal debt - all >owed to the owner operators of the debt mechanism. >Once
the entire process of production, distribution and consumption >is 100% financed
by interest bearing debt the money power that >Douglas wrote of will have
absolute power over every aspect and >direction of the lives of us all.
>'Democratic governments' will simply be a powerless facade left in >place to
provide an outlet for the frustration and anger of those >who are excluded from
any real opportunity to use their talents and >reach their true potential. The
real decision making will be in the >boardrooms of theose who own the debt and
therefore hold our lives >in their hands.New Credit for new production suplied by
the banks >will actually be new interest bearing debt. If you can't
understand >that simple fact you are doomed! >The only way forward is to back
interest bearing debt out of the >system by using the power of credit, controlled
by the people, to >provide essential infratstructure, free of debt, for future
>generations as a starting point for the introduction of a Social >Credit
economy. If that is not Social Credit in the sense that >Douglas saw it then I
will quietly fade from the scene and leave you >all to your endless debate.
>Regards >Trevor Crosbie >Hamilton NZ >----- Original Message ----- From:
"Jessop Sutton" ><sutton@kingsley.co.za> >To: <socialcredit@elistas.com> >Sent:
Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:05 AM >Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Replying to Vic
(Deus Ex Machina) > > >>On Monday 18 Apr 2005 1:05 am, Trevor Crosbie wrote:
>>>The use by our
>>>democratically elected representatives of a parallel mechanism, >>>for the >>>provision of essential infrastructure free of interest bearing >>>debt, is not >>>only feasible but essential to the viability of our society and >>>all the >>>people therein. >>==================== >> >>Does interest-free provision for essential infrastructure come into >>the ambit >>of Social Credit? I thought the general consensus is that that >>would still be >>left to the commercial banking sector in the same way as 'new >>credit for new >>production' would still be supplied by the banks? >> >>Jessop. >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>You're subscribed to this list with the email tamac@xtra.co.nz >>To unsubscribe, send
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