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Subject:RE: [youthgas] Call for a National Voice for the "Voiceless"
Date:Thursday, August 2, 2007  00:03:07 (+0930)
From:Kathleen Stacey <kathleen @.........................au>
In reply to:Message 2211 (written by jenny shale)

Thanks Jenny for taking the time to start considering the questions I raised. I share many of your concerns about the inequities your identify - they have shaped the content and process of my study and work life for many years and will for its remainder.  The questions I asked are ongoing questions, daily questions for which there are not always definitive answers, but the whole point is to keep them on the agenda, as a constant practice of accountability. Transparency and accountability are two qualities severely lacking in our country's governance and in the dominant culture structures of which we are both a part. If we are asking for it within governance and decision-making structures, then we must ask it of ourselves in our daily practice.
 
Please note that I used the term Indigenous as that is the term you used in your initial email - the preference for the collective naming of Aboriginal peoples and Torres Strait Islander peoples (both of which are colonial tags) differs from state to state/territory and also within these jurisdictions. I am well aware of the diversity amongst Aboriginal peoples and Torres Strait Islander peoples, hence there is no one set of Elders, as that is a process determined within each nation/community of Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander people, which leads back to the challenges of representation. I also want to draw attention to the false assumptions regarding the absence of culture for Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander peoples living in urban environments - it is isn't a singular experience and there aren't neat categories that we should get drawn into constructing. It causes disrespect and pain to may people when this occurs, and is another form of racism (namely, cultural racism). These matters are my very point - culture is not worn on people's skin, it is lived. Where there is no room for it to be acknowledged and welcomed within dominant culture structures and practices, then institutional racism is occuring. This gets reproduced within the smallest organisations or unions through to the largest.
 
I also believe it is important to move away from deficit-based language - people already have a voice, its just that particular groups of people are rarely heard and/or understood, so maybe the emphasis needs to move away from being voiceless to having pathways and forums in which people's voices can not only be heard, but receive acknowledgement, a response and an invitation for ongoing dialogue within decision-making processes. I am not convinced that your intention of providing a 'voice for the voicless' happens in no other forum, because I have witnessed it occuring, e.g. within the youth (particularly young people in care) sector, mental health sector and Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander health and child/family welfare sectors. It is not perfect, it does not always achieve the outcomes to which people aspire, but there has been significant progress. It is important to honour those who have gone before and those who continue to work within existing and important representative bodies.
 
I believe the young Yugumbeh woman at your school hit the nail on the head - the issue is about power, how power is enabled or diverted within our institutional structures and processes and for whom.
 
Again, I reiterate that I have not taken a position on the need or not of the union you propose, but that an ongoing consideration of the influence of cultural values, and whose cultural values, within such a union needs to be central to the way it operates. It cannot be avoided, although it may be glossed over or ignored. In this sense, #4 of your stated aims is and remains problematic, and needs robust review among the community of people who are interested in the development of this union. I sincerely wish you the best of luck with the process and what may emerge from it, as I am well aware that it will not be easy, although hopefully worthwhile.
 
Regards, Kathleen


From: jenny shale [mailto:jshale@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007 10:08 PM
To: kathleen@beyond-kathleenstacey.com.au; youthgas@elistas.com
Subject: RE: [youthgas] Call for a National Voice for the "Voiceless"

Thanks Kathleen, I appreciate your response ...and indeed invite many more.  I will try to address your concerns one by one. I have taken your suggestion regarding my title on board ..I should have deleted the whole thing because in this instance I am acting as a parent of a child with a disability and as an advocate of many other children with disabilities and their families who I meet through my working life.  Thanks for pointing that out.
 
 
"Without taking any position on whether or not a national voice for parents, families and carers is needed (although I note that the Carer's Association already exists), I want to raise a concern about the idea that you could do this without alignment with any 'cultural perspective on family structure' as you suggest in #4 of your aims".
 
 Firstly, what concerns me about the representation of families as it exists, is that it falls within community body and service agency structures which advocate for the needs of a particular group.   What I am proposing is not a "service" model, but an advocacy "voice" that can be utilised by ANY group who needs it.  We are ALL families, carers or parents, no matter what our cultural heritage, our particular family circumstance or ability.  That is the one characteristic that binds us all.  Working from a democratic principle, our strenth is in our numbers. WE all have the same right to access the sort of health, education and employment we NEED to live a safe and active life, free from poverty, neglect or violence. 
 
The position you are putting sounds awfully like a 'treat everyone as equal' approach to social justice, that is outdated (although it remain prevalent in the cultural pysche of the nation). It misses the critical distinction between equality and equity, where attention must be paid to equality of outcomes, not just inputs or treatment.
 
 I am not proposing a "treat every as equal" approach at all, but a "support everyone with a strong advocacy voiceto help them acquire whatever their NEED" approach. The most disadvantaged in our communities are usually the ones with the weakest representations, and the least social capital to acquire it. This needs to be ammended. What I am proposing is true equity i.e providing everyone with a voice to acquire what they NEED to be on an equal footing with their fellow citizens. I recognise entirely, that  Needs will be different for every person or group, depending on their very specific cultural, social, economic, physical or environmental characteristics.  The "Union" we are proposing is a voice for ALL, driven by NEED and not by faction.   I believe factionalisation merely lessens our potential to acquire a strong public voice, and consequently lessens the impact we could potentially have in influencing policy. 
 
 Whoever makes up the power structure of such a national voice will, by default, operate by their cultural perspectives of family structure without even consciously or deliberately trying to do this. It is highly possible that those who are most likely to take up positions in the power structure will be members of the dominant culture. Therefore, despite wanting to be broad and inclusive, without intending it the organisation is highly likely to be aligned with dominant culture perspectives on family structure, and, more broadly, dominant culture values. What accountability would there be to other groups who make up this incredibly diverse group of constituents - parents, families and carers?
 
I acknowledge your concerns regarding the structure of the "Union" we propose. I specifically stress the word UNION ...because it is not intended to be an "organisational" structure at all.  It is meant to be a representative voice for all people who need one to lend them strength and support, as a good UNION is supposed to do.  To fight for the rights of its members.  YOur concerns in this instance are the same concerns we are very mindful of.  What this body of people will finally look like is yet to be determined, and will no doubt take much thought and discussion across a wide range of people and groups, beginning with the inaugural gathering  in Melbourne on the 8th.  We are welcoming the views and voices of all.  
 
Having worked a great deal in Indigenous contexts as a non-Indigenous person, by invitation of Indigenous people (it is wise to use a capital 'I' by the way), I have witnessed time and again how institutional racism is practiced by hard-working, justice-seeking and committed people from the dominant culture (or other non-Indigenous cultures), as they have not considered how their own cultural values are embedded in everything they do. They have never looked at what their own cultural values represent, keeping the focus on the 'other' rather than the self and who/what one represents - it is a description that fits for me and learning this self-reflection/critique is something I have had to learn to do as I learned from my own mistakes and developed my understanding of social justice.
 
One of the many reasons I believe a national voice for people is needed is because of the treatment of the Indigenous (notice the capital I) community. IN our community "Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders" is the preferred reference. There has been a steady withdrawal of funds from Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander education over the last 10 years, together with inappropriate and unsupported programming thrust upon communities without the systemic support needed, all to the detriment of the communities. I have already discussed this concept of a National Union of people with the Elders of this community and taken their advice on board, as I will continue to do throughout its development.  We have to start somewhere, and I believe this is as good a place as any.  That the provision of basic needs and services across the whole spectrum of our diverse communities could be so poorly supported by Government Policy is proof enough for me that we need a strong voice that will give our people, whoever they are, a fighting chance to get what they NEED. WE are not waving one banner higher than another, or holding one groups needs above that of anothers.  We are merely offering to combine our collective forces to better advantage ALL.
 
Although some families might, based on my experience I would be incredibly surprised if Indigenous families would be excited about joining such an organisation. What could it offer them that they cannot seek through a number of other peak bodies that represent the interests, needs and aspirations of Indigenous peoples across the country? How would it treat Indigenous people's cultural perspectives of what constitutes family and its relationship to community? What could they expect that would be different from most other mainstream peak bodies who are also caught up in institutational racism (meaning the patterns of advantage and disadvantage that are sustained through structures such as laws, policies and practices embedded within our governance, social, health, legal (etc) institutions, whether directly or indirectly, that exclude or discriminate against one group over another)?
 
In answer to this Kathleen, I hasten to add that Indigenous peoples across the country also have entirely different needs.  For example, the challenges faced by a young fairskin Urban Aboriginal person in Brisbane are entirely different to those faced by a young person living within their traditional culture in a remote area.  What about a young Aboriginal person in CARE? without a community network of support? Who is representing them?  IN the words of the young Yugumbeh woman who heads the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Student Council at my school, who is under the care of the Department herself, " I have no power. Every decision made in my life is made by people I do not know, and who do not know me.  I want a chance to make my own decisions and to have my own voice heard above others"  That is what this Union aspires to offer thatr is not currently offered in any other forum.  A voice of the "voiceless"
 
 
In short, there is much to consider before making claims about what is possible, for whom and how. I would hope that anyone who decided to engage with this idea would take these considerations seriously.

I couldnt agree more!  We are not making claims that anything is possible. WE are however, saying that there are enormous numbers of people who for one reason or another are not adequately represented, if they are represented at all.  What we want to see is that wrong made right. We want to see equitable division of public funds. We want to see justice in service provision and delivery.  I want to see,among other things,  all children valued in this society through positive action regardless of their cultural, social, physical, environmental or economic circumstances. That is my voice. The voices of others will be different depending on their own needs.  That is why we need MANY VOICES.

I hope I have answered some of your questions for you Kathleen.  Thanks again for asking them.




Jenny Shale

Parent, Carer and Family member

Ph 07 3808 3951



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